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To: DannyTN
the view in islam is that jesue(peace be upon him) was a prophet of God, and like all prophets, he made up the best of humanity. so, we believe that prophets don't lie.
since the qur'an speaks about jesus, and we believe that the qur'an is the word of god, the qu'ran is the authority on jesus. since the new testament may or may not have true statements in it, according to our belief, we rely on the qur'an
91 posted on 10/08/2003 9:18:23 AM PDT by joe032783 (Views of a Muslim)
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To: joe032783
"so, we believe that prophets don't lie. "

I thought there was something in Islam that said that Jesus basically substituted someone else on the cross at the last minute. And that when Jesus comes back he will apologize for the deception.

My understanding is Islam teaches that Jesus didn't die or be resurrected, but was taken up to heaven before dying on the cross. So it's not that he verbally spoke a lie, but that his acts were deceptive.

94 posted on 10/08/2003 9:54:13 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: joe032783
"since the new testament may or may not have true statements in it, according to our belief, we rely on the qur'an "

But I thought the qur'an says both the Old and New Testament are to be considered Scripture and are true. Which makes the qur'an's subsequent contradictions of the New Testament an internal contradiction in the qur'an.

And yes I know the qur'an claims for itself not to have internal contradictions but if I'm right about this, that's an internal contradiction in itself.

95 posted on 10/08/2003 9:57:25 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: joe032783
Since you believe in the Qu'ran, that Jesus is a prophet and cannot lie, then when Jesus says that he is the way, the truth and the life and nobody comes to God but by him, he shows that the other prophets are wrong.

You cannot have it both ways.

As the whole foundation of the Bible is that blood sacrifice is the only that pays for sin, as sin has a blood price, and Jesus says his blood (which was sacrificed on the very day that sacrifice was required) pays for mankinds sin, then the only way to heaven is by His sacrifice, not by killing another sinful person.

Therefore the Bible, even before Christ shows that the Qu'ran is wrong.

Now if the Qu'ran uses the bible to justify itself, yet in itself is in direct contradiction to the Bible the Bible can stand alone, yet the Qu'ran has contradicted itself and therefore cannot stand, with or without the Bible.

You cannot have it both ways.

If the Bible says that the Jews are God's chosen people, and the New testament written about Jesus says that God will never leave or forsake his people the Jews, then the current Jihad shows that the Moslems are on the side of Satan.

Read Romans Chapter 11...

Sorry, just the slightest understanding of the Bible shows you are hip deep in aligators guy, better study more than what your masters are feeding you. Actually read the Bible, it is ok to do so, your masters have approved you doing so, they are just betting your soul you will not do your homework.
108 posted on 10/08/2003 1:24:57 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: joe032783; xzins; Salem; 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal; dennisw
the view in islam is that jesue(peace be upon him) was a prophet of God, and like all prophets, he made up the best of humanity. so, we believe that prophets don't lie.

BUT JOE islamics all over the world believe and state and promote that they believe muhammed is allowing Jesus of Nazareth to return to earth to tell the world that he did lie - that he was not the Son of YHWY. That because Jesus was a good man muhammed is allowing him to come back and confess that he lied. DO YOU SEE A CONTRADITION IN YOUR STATEMENT? This is the false prophet imitating Jesus of Nazareth to lead many astray. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD! That is what HE TOLD US AND I BELIEVE! Do you think that Jesus lied?

117 posted on 10/08/2003 3:54:48 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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