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hi mike, nice to meet you. thanks for the offer, but i've got my hands full dealing with the strictly religious side of my faith. i don't have time to really get into talking about the israel/palestinian conflict.

i have to say though, i'm no apologist.

islam is my religion, and muhammad, among others like jesus, abraham, and moses are my prophets. the qur'an is my holy book. i don't apologize for anything done by the prophets, or anything said in the qur'an.

however, like i said in my last message, i'm in no way responsible for stupid, unjust, and inhuman acts done by people like those on 9/11. i don't have to defend them, and i don't. i condemn their actions. they may claim to be muslim, but it's obvious to any educated muslim that they aren't doing what the qur'an and muhammad commanded

however, like i said in my last message, i'm in no way responsible for stupid, unjust, and inhuman acts done by people like those on 9/11. i don't have to defend them, and i don't. i condemn their actions. they may claim to be muslim, but it's obvious to any educated muslim that they aren't doing what the qur'an and muhammad commanded

That's great. Now go out and condemn them over and over again in the media, in your mosque, everywhere you can. Organize your fellow Muslims to root out the evil ones doing these terrible things in the name of your religion. We, the non-muslims, will eliminate these people ourselves but we will paint with a much larger brush than you would because we are outsiders.

"hi mike, nice to meet you. thanks for the offer, but i've got my hands full dealing with the strictly religious side of my faith. i don't have time to really get into talking about the israel/palestinian conflict."

No time, huh? Sure, although the Israeli/Palistinian conflict is the central and defining issue of our time concerning Islam on a national, political, and social level.

"i have to say though, i'm no apologist."

Yes, you are, for Islam, or you wouldn't be here.

apologist: n. a person who defends and idea, faith, cause, or institution.

"islam is my religion, and muhammad, among others like jesus, abraham, and moses are my prophets. the qur'an is my holy book. i don't apologize for anything done by the prophets, or anything said in the qur'an."

"Muhammad" has no place in that line-up. He wasn't a prophet. Not even close.

"however, like i said in my last message, i'm in no way responsible for stupid, unjust, and inhuman acts done by people like those on 9/11. i don't have to defend them, and i don't. i condemn their actions. they may claim to be muslim, but it's obvious to any educated muslim that they aren't doing what the qur'an and muhammad commanded"

So you present yourself a "moderate" Muslim? The Islamic terrorists targeting the free world are certainly not uneducated. Actually, many are educated at the University level, both in America and abroad, and carry degrees. Sheik Abdullah Azzam is an example. Hardly the backward, uneducated Muslim that Islamic apologists in America try to portray overseas terrorists as.

So, who are you affiliated with? CAIR? the AMC? Do you live in America?

Interesting that Moses is a prophet for you, did he lead the Jews as the Bible says or did he lead the Arabs?

If he was your prophet he would have lead the Arabs to the Promised land, but if he lead the Jews, then the Islamic Jihad to steal the land from the Jews is not of God.

This contradiction in deeds is also mirrored in the Koran, yet Islam claims the Koran is without contradiction:

"Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy." (Sura 4:82)

So let us ponder, for it is not from God by your own standards. Here in lies much discrepancy:

Creation took eight days, it says in Sura 41:9, 10, 12.

Sura 10:3, however, states creation took six days.

Or:

When the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.

Which is it? Because by the Qu’ran’s own standards, the Qu'ran has invalidated itself.

Lots more, but this is boring…

So now lets not just look for simple contradictions, but look for clear indications about the Author in his writings:

According to the Quran (Sura 20:90-100)a Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf, and it mooed after coming out of the fire. In reality, Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of the Moses and the Israelite exodus from Egypt.

OOPS! It seems Mohammad failed his history classes...

According to the Quran (Sura 9:30) the Jews believe that Ezra is the Son of God - the Messiah. This never has been a tenet of Judaism.

OOPS! It seems Mohammad failed his cultural classes...

According to the Quran (Sura 18:89-98) Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age.

Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.), and believed he was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods. Strange thing for a Moslem to do don't you think.

OOPS, seems that Mohammad did not get much traveling in either, nor did his God for surely God would have known about the altars...

Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate.

A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

OOPS, seems Mohammad failed in Arithmetic also, must not have too good of schools out there in the sands?

According to the Quran (Sura 5:116, 5:73-75) the Christians believe in "three Gods" - Father, Mother, and Son. This shows the influence of heretical 'Christian' sects in central Arabia at the time of Muhammad. In contrast, Christianity has always distinctly stated that the Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Now isn't it interesting that Mohammad, who was recording what was spoken to him by God, wrote down what was the local rumors, not what was in reality.

According to the Quran (Sura 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron. Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron. Clearly Muhammad confused Mary with Miriam.

OOPS, low scores in reading comprehension too, or his God was confused also...

A second interesting point about Mary is the story of the date palm speaking and offering its fruit to her (Sura 19:23). This legend is easily traced to similar legends found in the apocryphal "Protoevangelium of James" the "Pseudo-Matthew" and "the Gospel of the Nativity of Mary" all of which have been dated to the fourth to sixth centuries, and were again believed by the sects found in Arabia.

Seems that Mohammad was quoting from his local environment, not from God, who surely had a much wider point of view than old Mo.

All of these point out strong indications that Mohammad wrote from his own experience not from divine inspiration, or his God was as backwater schooled as he was.

If Mohammad wrote from inspiration the big question is was it his own, or Gods?

If it was Gods, it is true that he will write from beyond his personal experience, but if it is from himself he will write the local belief structure instead of outside his own experience and that is just what is found.

I leave off on this now with one last thought you need to really contemplate because it shows who Allah might really be as there are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11 but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42]

By the Qu’ran’s own word, Allah is not God, but the Angel of Death.

Now seeing how Islam is the worlds biggest death cult and its main fruit is not kind deeds to others but murder and mayhem, this is a part of the Qu’ran that is not a contradiction but a warning to those who might study the Qu’ran.

Something you have not done, and may cost you your soul.