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To: Lion in Winter
well, at least i don't throw insults around, but rather rationally defend my beliefs or at least explain them as correctly as possible when i see people telling me i believe differently. i can insult you, but i don't think it will help.

hey,
what would jesus do?
as a muslim, i have to ask myself that.
also,
what would muhammad do?
you know,
i think that jesus or muhammad would be as kind as possible to anyone who insulted them. so i'll follow their practice.
137 posted on 10/08/2003 10:09:33 PM PDT by joe032783 (Views of a Muslim)
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To: joe032783
Ok....I prefer to argue logically instead of calling names, but this is a challenge for me, to be honest. I honestly can say I almost hate Islam, and I try not to hate anything.

If the strategy was to defend the faith, it came up sorely lacking. Describing yourself as a "radical muslim" didnt help your cause, and your rant about the Israelis killing Palestinians didnt help either.

Jordan has killed more Palestinians than Israel, and it only took them 1 month in 1970 to do it. Other Arab countries have killed or outright massacred Palestinians. More Palestinians have died in neighboring countries than have been killed by Israel, and thats a fact. Where is the muslim outreach to stop this among brothers?

Why did the muslims conquer the Holy Land, place the dhimmi system in existence, and then build the Al Aqsa mosque on the one place in the entire world the Jewish people are told in the Torah to place the Solomonic Temple in 685 AD?

Why havent muslims taken prisoners of war and treated them fairly in Afghanistan or Iraq? Instead they massacred them or used the few they did keep for propaganda purposes.

Why isnt Israeli aviator Ron Arad back with is family? ISrael hardly ever gets its prisoners of war back either. Is it some kind of coincidence that muslim nations refuse to treat POWS with respect, or return them to countries with opposing religions?

Why do muslims always seem to have a fascist or socialist government in place in their countries, if they arent a corrupt monarchy?

There is about 1300 years of Muslim tyranny I could go over, but I dont have the time or want to waste the bandwidth. I personally think Islam has nothing to do with peace.

Islam always accuses others of what it is guilty of, just like the Democrats. They accused Israel of massacre in Jenin, which was a lie, yet they massacre small children and the elderly in Israel literally by the busload.

I was trained as a soldier to recognize my enemy, and it is your religion, and by extension, you. Dont make apologies for your faith to me. Your faith is determined to exterminate my wife, children, and me; that is proven fact.

Unlike your faith, I simply desire to live in peace, but your faith forced another war on me at a time in my life I should be enjoying my children and grandchildren. Your faith has killed my friends and countrymen for over 24 years. It wont stand.

I know the worst of this war isnt over yet, and it will get bloodier. I dont look forward to it, either. But rest assured when you look over the lines at the other side, I will be there waiting.







145 posted on 10/09/2003 4:12:24 AM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: joe032783
Joe;

I appreciate that you are defending your faith and doing so in a non combative manner. I know that all Muslims are not wild jihadis wanting to become martyrs. This will I have a close friend who is a Muslim immigrant who I have worked with for many years. I know this sounds like a line but it's the truth--he's a good friend and a decent person. We are aware of each other's faiths and there is still love between us. The day he suicide bombs us is the day I may start painting all Muslims with the same brush, and I don't expect that will happen knowing him.

I don't want to debate Christianity vs. Islam necessarily, and certainly not with hostility. I just want to know if someone can explain why:
1) Islamic countries have cultures that embrace death and murder in the form of honor killings and suicide murderers;
2) Show great intolerance for Jews, Christians and Hindus;
3) Support despotic leaders; appear to have little regard for human life in general, especially women.

My friend has 2 beautiful daughters and wouldn't harm a hair on their heads. When I see fathers, brothers etc. in other countries murdering their daughters sometimes on the basis of hearsay, I have to wonder what kind of culture this is. Have you ever lived in an Islamic country and can you give any insight?

158 posted on 10/09/2003 8:57:15 AM PDT by Agitate ("You will know the truth, and the truth will make you mad")
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