[Alouette]

I am skeptical of your sources regarding 19th century missionizing among the Jews, though, because it doesn't make any internal logical sense.

Fine, don't take my word for it, this is the experience of someone who was actively involved.

My point, which you seem to be missing, is that the Baptist Rev. Morris AKA "Moishe" Rosen is LYING about himself in order to "bring Jews to Christ." He may or may not be an ethnic Jew, I don't know his ancestry. But he is not a rabbi, never studied to be a rabbi, and never set foot in a yeshiva. Yet he claims to be these things in order to give himself credibility with the uneducated Jews he targets. Is that kosher?

I have no complaints against honest and sincere Christians, and even my fellow Jews who may embrace Christianity from a sincere (although, in my opinion, mistaken) belief. But Rev. Rosen is a liar and a fraud who is in it for the money and the notoriety.

[cookcounty]

I'm thinking I should break this off, I'm not trying to win an argument. Moishe Rosen does not refer to himself as "Rabbi" and the organization does not refer to him as a rabbi. Rosen retired a couple years ago. It's now headed by David Brickner whom I knew many years ago, when my wife and I moved out of our apartment, David moved in. David doesn't call himself a rabbi either.

You're right though, that there are Jewish followers of Jesus out there that do use the term.

bonne nuit et shalom. Cubs win!