To: rightbanker
Actually, getting a recall together is a lot harder than the Rats want you to believe. Money alone won't do it. Right now, people want results, not payback politics. They will give Arnold a chance to start putting things into action, and if he rescinds the car tax and helps stop SB-60, he'll have more than enough political capital that any Rat-sponsered recall effort will die on the vine.
The budget deal was a complete shell-game that is already unravelling in the courts and on Wall Street, so the Rats are going to have to play ball on that score as well. The budget was not balanced as you claim. In fact, what happened is that 11 Billion dollars was moved off the books by borrowing against future budgets. However, this is illegal in California (you can't deficit finance over $300,000 without the consent of voters), so the budget deal is already being held up in court. And the bonds that were issued to provide the borrowed money are being rejected by investors.
The Rats realize that right now, Arnold has a bully pulpit unprescendented in California politics. This was as much about the Rat power elite as it was about Davis. The voters have put them on notice, and you could here it in the way some of the loyalists were talking... Brown, Sanchez, Burton were all sounding a note of cooperation.
Arnold's going to start with a complete, independent audit of the state's finances. That is going to be shining an uncomfortable light on quite a few legislators and Sacramento insiders.
I think the Rats are going to be willing to work with Arnold more than anyone can imagine.
To: bootyist-monk
we'll see. I think you've got to distinguish between the office holders adn the activists.
It's just like the Howard Dean thing. The reason he's doing so well with the RATS is because he's the only one who really speaks to their deep alienation from Bush. The activists want Bush's hide in a major, major way. The office-holders, who went along (or so the activists think) with Bush on the war and on other things here and there, are sell-outs to these people and they want no part of them.
So what I'm saying is that even if the dems in the Sacramento feel pressure to work with Arnie, the RAT footsoldiers will want revenge and will seek a vehicle for that revenge.
It's may not be easy to get a recall going, but it also isn't all that terribly difficult -- especially in a hypercharged political climate.
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