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1 posted on 10/06/2003 7:34:56 PM PDT by mhking
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Just damn.

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2 posted on 10/06/2003 7:35:59 PM PDT by mhking (When it rains it pours: I'm looking for a job again -- any offers or help: mhking@bellsouth.net)
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3 posted on 10/06/2003 7:36:22 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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The Chinese have the natural resources to put a man on the moon. Frankly, given the propaganda value, they may attempt to put the first woman on the moon as an example of the "People's Progress" and "equality" of Chinese women to White men.

No joke.

I was predicting a Chinese crewed spacecraft in 1984. I missed by 20 years, but it is coming true.

It appears that the Chinese Communists have succeeded in ripping the space technology from the US and Russians.

They've got their program on a fraction of the cost of ours.

We did the R&D and the Chinese are flying.

What a crying shame.
4 posted on 10/06/2003 7:48:59 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: mhking
There's a story about them planing for a manned Lunar landing in 2010 by a "top defense official". They do seem to be interested in a human moon program as one of these "officials" spouts off every few months, but then another official will deny it a few days later.

China aims to touch the moon: top national defense official

One thing I wonder about though, there always seems to be grand pronouncements from China about how they want to show the rest of the world how advanced they are. I've never heard any rationale about exploring space simply for pure intellectual reasons (because it is there). Do they only want this to serve nationalistic purposes or do they truly desire to explore space?

5 posted on 10/06/2003 7:58:34 PM PDT by Brett66
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...sign that Chinese ambitions in space go far beyond a manned space flight.

Does anyone seriously believe that the Chinese commmunists are interested in space research for purely scientific reasons?

Think of the military advantage space will afford them. Think of missile platforms flying over American cities, and a space platform for military intelligence like the old Russian Mir.

While some Americans see the Chinese move into space as a scientific "leap for mankind" people in the Pentagon are figuring out how to counter this potential Chinese threat to American security.
7 posted on 10/06/2003 8:30:20 PM PDT by Noachian (Liberalism belongs to the Fool, the Fraud, and the Vacuous)
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re: "But our correspondent says that what happens to those plans is likely to depend on the success of China's manned space flight."

Yeah.

Crash. Go BOOM!!!

Won't we all be impressed!

That is why it is such a secret, you betcha there won't be any live coverage of this one!
9 posted on 10/06/2003 9:31:13 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth ( is this the land of the free???)
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To: mhking
Criminy .... those spacesuits look like they used dryer ducting and some tape for the sleeves.
10 posted on 10/06/2003 9:50:02 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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China Waging War on Space-Based Weapons***The PLA also is experimenting with other types of satellite killers: land-based, directed-energy weapons and "micro-satellites" (search) that can be used as kinetic energy weapons. According to the latest (July 2003) assessment by the U.S. Defense Department, China will probably be able to field a direct-ascent anti-satellite system (search) in the next two to six years.

Such weapons would directly threaten what many believe would be America's best form of ballistic-missile defense: a system of space-based surveillance and tracking sensors, connected with land-based sensors and space-based missile interceptors. Such a system could negate any Chinese missile attack on the U.S. homeland.

China may be a long way from contemplating a ballistic missile attack on the U.S. homeland. But deployment of American space-based interceptors also would negate the missiles China is refitting to threaten Taiwan and U.S. bases in Okinawa and Guam. And there's the rub, as far as the PLA is concerned.

Clearly, Beijing's draft treaty to ban deployment of space-based weapons is merely a delaying tactic aimed at hampering American progress on ballistic-missile defense while its own scientists develop effective countermeasures.

What Beijing hopes to gain from this approach is the ability to disrupt American battlefield awareness--and its command and control operations--and to deny the U.S. access to the waters around China and Taiwan should the issue of Taiwan's sovereignty lead to conflict between the two Chinas.

China's military thinkers are probably correct: The weaponization of space is inevitable. And it's abundantly clear that, draft treaties and pious rhetoric notwithstanding, they're doing everything possible to position themselves for dominance in space. That's worth keeping in mind the next time they exhort "peace-loving nations" to stay grounded.***

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China's PLA Sees Value in Pre-emptive Strike Strategy [Full Text] WASHINGTON, Aug. 11, 2003 - The military strategy of "shock and awe" used to stun the Iraqi military in the opening campaign of Operation Iraqi Freedom might be used by the Chinese if military force is needed to bring Taiwan back under communist control.

According to the released recently The Annual Report on the Military Power of the People's Republic of China, the country's military doctrine now stresses elements such as "surprise, deception and pre- emption." Furthermore, the report states that Beijing believes that "surprise is crucial" for the success of any military campaign.

Taiwan, located off the coast of mainland China, claimed independence from the communist country in 1949. The island has 21 million people and its own democratic government.

China, with 1.3 billion people, claims sovereignty over the tiny island, sees Taiwan as a breakaway province and has threatened to use military force against Taiwan to reunify the country. And China's force against Taiwan could come as a surprise attack.

But "China would not likely initiate any military action unless assured of a significant degree of strategic surprise," according to the report.

The report states that Lt. Gen. Zheng Shenxia, chief of staff of the People's Liberation Army's Air Force and an advocate of pre-emptive action, believes the chances of victory against Taiwan would be "limited" without adopting a pre-emptive strategy.

The report says that China now believes pre-emptive strikes are its best advantage against a technologically superior force. Capt. Shen Zhongchang from the Chinese Navy Research Institute is quoted as saying that "lighting attacks and powerful first strikes will be widely used in the future."

China's new military thinking has evolved over the past decade. PLA observers have been studying U.S. military strategies since the first Gulf War, when they noticed how quickly U.S. forces using state-of-the-art weapons defeated Iraqi forces that in some ways resemble their own.

Since then, the report states the PLA has shifted its war approach from "annihilative," where an army uses "mass and attrition" to defeat an enemy, to more "coercive warfighting strategies."

The PLA now considers "shock power" as a crucial coercion element to the opening phase of its war plans and that PLA operational doctrine is now designed to actively "take the initiative" and "catch the enemy unprepared."

"With no apparent political prohibitions against pre- emption, the PLA requires shock as a force multiplier to catch Taiwan or another potential adversary, such as the United States, unprepared," the report states.

Ways the PLA would catch Taiwan and the U.S. off guard include strategic and operational deception, electronic warfare and wearing down or desensitizing the opponent's political and military leadership. Another objective would be to reduce any indication or warning of impending military action, the report states.

Preparing for a possible conflict with Taiwan and deterring the United States from intervening on Taiwan's behalf is the "primary driver" of China's military overhaul, according to this year's report. Over the course of the next decade the country will spend billions to counter U.S. advances in warfare technology, the report states. [End]

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China develops its first solid-fuel satellite rocket***BEIJING (AFP) - China has successfully test-fired its first four-stage solid-fuel rocket capable of putting small satellites into space on short notice, the official Xinhua news agency reported.

The launch of the Pioneer I rocket on September 16 at north China's Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center makes China only the third country capable of developing such rockets, after the United States and Russia, a spokesman for China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp (CASIC) told Xinhua.

The rocket is capable of putting payloads of up to 100 kilograms (220 pounds) into orbit around the earth to help with resource exploration, environmental monitoring and surveys, the spokesman said. The announcement comes just weeks ahead of China's planned manned space mission, which is widely expected to take place next month, based on media reports. The Xinhua report did not say whether the rocket had any connection to the launching of space flights or whether it could launch satellites for military use.***

11 posted on 10/07/2003 4:09:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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funded by the $100,000,000,000 women spend over at wal-mart yearly.
17 posted on 10/07/2003 3:21:44 PM PDT by no_problema
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18 posted on 10/07/2003 6:17:13 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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