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To: CodeMonkey
"First of all there are animals which kill and eat their young. Would you just dismiss this a "natural" child rearing behavior?"

For that species, yes. You have a very flimsy stance on nature. On one hand you say that God made nature the way it is and on the other hand you decide that you, Jorge, are the one fit to judge what is naturally occuring outside of the parameters of objective observation. If a species eats its young, then based on a theological argument, is that not how God made that species? You believe that God made every facet of nature, well did God stop at defining how each species interacts with its young?

You obviously missed the distinction I made between nature as God created it, and nature in it's fallen corrupted state.

It's still easy to see God's created intent in spite of the corruption of nature, which is what I have been trying to explain to you.

You only seem to comprehend select parts of my responses, and are losing track of which statement of yours I was responding to.

For example; You implied that because homosexuality can be observed among some animals, it was natural behavior and could therefore be call natural for some humans.

My response above is that some animals eat their young, and by your definitions this is "natural". Therefore would you also say that if some humans eat their children we MUST call this "natural" child rearing behavior?

By insisting on leaving God out of the picture, your arguments are leading to some grotesque conclusions.

If you can't see this, the isn't much point in my trying to convince you of anything.

220 posted on 10/07/2003 4:20:59 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
It's still easy to see God's created intent in spite of the corruption of nature, which is what I have been trying to explain to you.

No, that is just you interjecting your opinion. It is your opinion that there is some form of contamination that has caused certain species to eat their young. Did it ever occur to you that eating the young was part of the design of that species to help control its numbers? That is very common among rodents. Imagine how many rodents would be alive if that didn't happen.

My response above is that some animals eat their young, and by your definitions this is "natural". Therefore would you also say that if some humans eat their children we MUST call this "natural" child rearing behavior?

No. It is not something that has commonly occured as it does in say... gerbils. Gerbils often eat their young. Humans do that as some sort of perverse ritual perhaps but that is the extent of it. Thus we have to protect children from parents that would eat them.

231 posted on 10/07/2003 8:04:29 PM PDT by CodeMonkey
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