The Republican Party's Lack of Commitment To Conservatism

Covenant News ^ | 10/4/03 | Chuck Baldwin

[truthandlife]

If there is anyone left who truly believes the Republican Party is committed to genuine conservative principles, the candidacy of bodybuilder/actor Arnold Schwarzenegger to be California's next governor should be enough to set the record straight.

Despite Schwarzenegger's extreme liberal views, he has won praise from Republicans nationwide. On virtually every issue worth noting, Schwarzenegger comes down on the left side of the page.

Schwarzenegger is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual rights, pro-gun control, pro-green, and pro-illegal immigration. He even said that Clinton's impeachment made him "ashamed" to call himself a Republican.

Furthermore, Schwarzenegger's immoral escapades make even Bill Clinton look unsoiled. He once bragged in an Oui magazine interview about participating in sex orgies, not to mention his repeated admissions of drug use.

In spite of his personal and philosophical discrepancies, Schwarzenegger has received accolades from notable conservatives such as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Pat Robertson, not to mention practically the entire national Republican hierarchy.

Writing for The New York Times, Frank Rich correctly observed, "It is hilarious to watch conservatives, the same conservatives who often decry phony Hollywood liberals and their followers, betray their own inviolate principles to bask in Arnold's hulking movie-star aura so that they might possibly gain a nominal Republican victory in the bargain."

By supporting a liberal such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republicans demonstrate that they have no real loyalty to conservative principles. Beyond that, by supporting Schwarzenegger, they have turned their backs on a true conservative gubernatorial candidate, Tom McClintock.

However, people who are paying attention know that this is the rule, not the exception, for the Republican Party. In race after race, Republican heavyweights will throw their support behind a liberal candidate and will starve out a conservative candidate. This is not an accident or a coincidence. It is the party's plan A. The Republican Party no more desires conservatives in political office than the Democratic Party does, and people who think otherwise are only deceiving themselves.

At some point, conservatives must awaken to the reality that they do not have a political party in Washington, D.C., that represents them. They must, at some point, be willing to abandon the Republican Party and unite around a party and a candidate that will courageously and consistently promote their principles. Can I get a second for Judge Roy Moore and the Constitution Party?

[Skooz]

That's it? That's all you have? You shot your wod with that?

You still have not pointed out anything in any of my posts that is not true. You have not because you cannot.

[WOSG]

Finally an argument:

"It's very simple. Subscribing to the Pro-life agenda requires subscribing to your views of Christianity. That's fine and a admirable goal until you want to make it a law. Then you are trying to force your view of religon on the nation as a whole."

An incorrect and false argument, of course. Stealing and bearing false witness are in the Ten Commandments, does that mean laws against theft and perjury impose a Theocracy? Of course not! The flaw in your argument is that the *motivation* for a law is not the same thing as the law itself.

Protecting unborn humans doesnt require you to worship God or worship Christ or profess a particular belief. Laws against abortion only requires that you dont kill unborn humans during their natural gestation in the womb.
Since the unborn humans are undoubtably alive (humans at 8 weeks gestation have heart beats and brain function), the issue of abortion is most properly conceived (no pun intended) as a balance of the rights of pre-born humans and the rights and responsibilies of the mother, father and society.

It is an extremist position indeed to suggest no human has a right to life at all unless it happens to have made it through the birth canal. That give baby seals more rights than baby humans. But whatever the 'right' answer, any laws or no law - none would constitute a theocracy.

"If required, I will defend to my death your right to have and hold your religous views but I will also defend to my death keeping the American government from becoming a Theocracy."

I am the last person to want a Theocracy and would defend your own rights to believe what you will.
I will defend to the death your *right* to make strawman arguments, but will challenge you on your flawed and phony logic when you do make such bogus statements.

[NittanyLion]

Well, your post doesn't feel right, so obviously you must be lying. Just don't trouble him with foolish details like explaining where.

[Ahban]

Dear LPM1888,

It was with great pleasure that I read your forthright posts. I would like to take this opportunity to encourage you to intensify your campaign to drive the Christian Conservatives from the Republican party. I wish you great success in your endeavor. Whatever you do, keep posting.

Cordially,
Ahban
Chairman, Constitution Party of Arkansas

[Skooz]

LOL! Yeah. Yours pretty much confused him to the point of distraction.

This reminds me of the 546,988,900,045,376th time I played a little shareware arcade game. It was so easy to beat it was boring. I played one last time, won, then deleted it off my harddrive. No challenge.

[MichiganConservative]

Hey dude, could you please tell me where I can go find my local Theocrat? I've never heard of them. But I can point to the local IRS building that takes a huge chunk of my income and DOES have an effect on the way I live my life.

Please point out to me where ANY politician has shrunk the spending of the government, other than in National Defense.

You know, if the government was a whole lot smaller, there woulnd't be any money to pay those Theocrats you fear. But I don't see any politician saying "shrink the government" since the 80's when that Right-wing Christian whacko Reagan was in office.

[Skooz]

You're trying to get him to actually back up his argument? Good luck.

[WOSG]

"Nonsense. My Pro-life views are based entirely on science. It is an irrefutable scientific fact that a fetus is a human being. Therefore, killing the fetus is the killing of a human being. It's that simple."

Correct. The pro-life movement should make that point clearer ... a snippet from another thread:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/953119/posts
Pro-Choice Advocates Agree that Abortion Kills Humans. Many abortion advocates have agreed that abortion kills human life: A 1963 Planned Parenthood brochure says that life begins at conception: "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun."{67} Former Planned Parenthood President Faye Wattleton admits that the preborn are alive in her 1986 book:

"There are many sperm cells in the [seminal] fluid. If one of them meets an egg cell inside the mother, new life can begin to grow... If one of your friends is pregnant, ask her to let your child 'feel the baby move.' ... A baby grows in a special place inside the mother, called the uterus -- not in her stomach. In nine months it is born."{68}

Similarly, Dr. Mary Calderone, former director of Planned Parenthood has stated that "[a]bortion is the taking of a human life"{69} and Dr. Alan Guttmacher,{70} former president of Planned Parenthood and founder of the Guttmacher Institute, the research affiliate of Planned Parenthood, has stated "[f]ertilization has then taken place; a baby has been conceived."{71} {72} While many abortion defenders readily concede that abortion kills human life, it is necessary to expound on this point because examining the nature of the unborn human being at the point of conception shows the inherent dignity that we all share from our biologic beginnings that are hidden from eyes of the world.

Not only have representatives from the nations largest abortion provider agreed that life begins at conception, but others who support abortion have agreed that abortion is murder. Dr. Magda Denes who performed two years of research in an abortion facility and compiled her results{73} told a Chicago newspaper "There wasn’t an (abortion) doctor who at one time or another in the questioning did not say ‘this is murder.’"{74} Even Kate Michelman, President of N.AR.A.L. seems to be moving in the direction of agreeing that abortion is murder by her statement that "[a]bortion is a bad thing."{75} Others who have at one time been heavily involved with abortion have later agreed, such as "Jane Roe" Norma McCorvey, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, and Carol Everett.

In addition, everyone who uses the term "fetus" unwittingly acknowledges that the unborn human is an unborn child because fetus is Latin for "unborn child." Unfortunately for the unborn child, the term fetus has fallen into use as a way of dehumanizing the unborn child, as shown by the primary use of this term by people when they are arguing for abortion rights, in comparison to when they are discussing a baby that is wanted by the mother.

[WOSG]

"Fanatical Religous Extremist nonsense."

Fatuous name-calling.

Stick to the issues, not the name-calling.

[Skooz]

Excellent post.

[Russell Scott]

Arnold has been a real eye opener. Just as the American people have become more conservative, the Republicans become more liberal. It just shows that only a supernatural Holy Ghost revival among the "common folk", can bring the conservative revolution the people are crying for. In fact, it will be a thousand years of conservative government, and all without death and taxes! Thank you Jesus!

[Skooz]

Fatuous name-calling.

That's all he has.

Stick to the issues, not the name-calling.

If he was forced to do that, he wouldn't be able to post at all. He has no issues anyway (except Christophobia).

[MichiganConservative]

what warped religious agenda? Kicking prayer out of schools, even if it is a private, voluntary prayer among students?

Disallowing children to talk amongst themselves about Jesus while encouraging them to practice Islam for a month?

Abusing the 14th amendment to force federal Constitutional restrictions onto the states?

Fighting for child-rape?

Fighting for laws that say your daughter doesn't have to get your consent to get an abortion, even though she does to get an ear piercing?

Oh, yeah, that's the ACLU.

[WOSG]

" Please point out to me where ANY politician has shrunk the spending of the government, other than in National Defense. "

FWIW, here in Texas the Republican Governor (Rick Perry) and Republican Statehouse this year balanced the next biennial budget by (shudder) cutting spending by several billion dollars - a *real* decrease, not a phony "cut because it is increasing less than we want".

About as common as the coming of Halley's comet, but there you go.

[The Mayor]

"I agree with your sentiments"

I have been a Registered Conservative in New York for 12 years. there are no Republicans here, just Rino's..

[MichiganConservative]

Subscribing to the Pro-life agenda requires subscribing to your views of Christianity.

Have you had an introductory course in biology that covered SEXUAL REPRODUCTION? That's pretty much all you need to know to make a scientific, pro-life, argument. But why waste my time on such a special person as you?

[WOSG]

Dittos on that.

The real anti-freedom theocrats are the ACLU - imposing enforced secularism on us all ...

... and the Political Correctness bigots who defame those whose speech offends the PC shibboleths... Rush violated their rule and was run off of ESPN for it. "Free speech for me but not for thee"

[CHUCKfromCAL]

"What makes evangelical Christians so powerful, Pew found, was their consistency on the issues. "The fact that this group expresses a consistent set of conservative political attitudes and is extremely active politically makes evangelicals Christians a powerful voting bloc,They're more apt to vote than other groups."

If that is true why can't you get McClintock elected? After the Pro-Life single issue people got control of the California Republican Party a few years ago they managed to loose all the statewide offices to Democrats. Is it possible that "Pro-life" is not the most important issue in most Christian's minds?

The flaw in your logic is believing that all those Christian voters have the same values and priorities you do. The Evangelicals are only a fraction of the Christian population in America.

[findingtruth]

You are definetly not my pastor

What? What? Are you telling us that you have a pastor? Is he, by any chance, the pastor of The First Church of Satan in San Francisco? If not, I am seriously curious. Is he, perhaps, a Unitarian minister? Or a Methodist minister? C'mon, don't keep me guessing.

[BlackElk]

Gee, is that what Heinlein would have thought? Was he about trolling for moderates? Aren't atheists often irreligious zealots?

What is a fiscal conservative? Someone who balances budgets? Would that be by raising taxes or lowering spending? If Arnie follows his puppetmaster Pete Wilson's example, his election will result in colossal tax increases to pay off Warren Buffett's friends.

If you think so much of Arnie, run him as a Libertarian Party candidate. He is certainly no Republican.

Fiscal conservatism cannot stand on its own.