Why This Far-Right, Pro-Life Christian Plans to Vote for Schwarzenegger

Self | 10/5/2003 | Daniel J. Phillips (BibChr)

[Sabertooth]

It's been a rough few weeks. I've been told innumerable times that I should change my screen name, which is an abbreviation of Biblical Christian (alluding to my Biblical Christianity web site). I've been told that I should take Jeremiah 8:9 ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?") from my tag line, and stop quoting Scripture. I've been called a fake, a phony, and a number of other such endearments.

< -spin- >

Why? What did I do to bring this on myself?

Did I renounce my faith? Did I leave my wife for a WalMart checker (or anyone or anything else)? Did I join the ACLU, NOW, NARAL, GLAD, NAMBLA, or any such abomination? Did I change my position on any of the values listed out above?

Nope. I just declined to vote for Tom McClintock, and thought it wisest to vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor of California.

Thanks for the "plank in your own eye" chuckle.

You've been slammed, deservedly, because you're nasty, insulting, and disingenuous. There has been a lot of such behavior on both sides of the recall threads, but you've been a first class bully in the pulpit.

Say hello to your choir for me when next you preach.

[MonroeDNA]

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[Jim Noble]

It should give us pause that our real, true enemies in this war all want us to vote for McClintock, or against the recall; they clearly see Schwarzenegger as their opponent and our ally. It is not to our glory that so few of us fail to see what they all clearly do see.

Says it all.

Thanks.

[shellylet]

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts! As a fellow Californian I have struggled with who to cast my vote for. In a perfect world McClintock would have my vote, but it isn't and unfortunately we have to deal with choices that go along with it. It is easy for those not smack dab in the middle of this to throw their insults around, but when California's citizens are the ones who will deal with the outcome it is a scary situation.
A lot of the people commenting on these threads have been big on Arnolds stand on abortion. And everytime I see that this is one of the reasons they would never vote for him I wonder just what this person has done to stop abortion. God is just as concerned about how we conduct our daily life for Him, not just this one event. I would be curious if those fighting against Arnold because of his pro-choice stance have fought just as hard to end abortion.
It isn't fun what is going on in California, but each person has to vote their conscience and nobody else has a right to judge that vote.

[Sabertooth]

Many Arnold supporters here have been more outrageous and offensive than anything Arnold has done. Your cohorts could have garnered more support without resorting to juvenile tactics, but instead they're a major turn-off.

Physician heal thyself.

Let me know if you want to take turns holding our breaths.

[Tamzee]

Beautifully written, reasoned and substantiated... I really appreciate your taking the time to provide this to us.

As far as critics saying that the lesser of two evils is not an appropriate way to decide, my philosophy is "Everything I need to know about voting I learned from the Parable of the Talents".

Even with the best of intentions, burying a vote is not at all a worthy action when there is no possibility of yielding good for fellow humans. My vote will always be invested where I believe it yields the highest return in advancing good in our society.

Your sincerity and dedication shine throughout the essay and thank you again... I'm saving it :-)

[pogo101]

Personally this flawed Christian (me) prefers to select earthly leaders based far less on strictly religious considerations, the more so because religious guidelines are susceptible of so many differing interpretations.

But I concur that Schwarzenegger was the correct vote for me, based on the information I had through today, which includes the fact that Bustamante can still win this thing (if the recall even passes, which it might not do).

[VOA]

Why This Far-Right, Pro-Life Christian Plans to Vote for Schwarzenegger

Just about the same situation for me.
Ahnold has plenty of stances that I don't agree with.
But given the way the Davis Slime Machine has gone after him, all I want now is
for that promised audit of state finance to be done post haste.

And, if anyone in the current Davis administration to be prosecuted to the max
if they are actually carry out shredding of state documents, as intimated by FOX News.

As for the allegations of groping against Ahnold, I loved the one I saw on NBC
Channel 4 News last night here in Los Angeles.
An NBC 4 reporter was at an Ahnold rally and met up with a Hispanic lady (mid 20s-mid 30s?)
with a file folder of photos that she was going to present to show that Ahnold had
messed with her at on a move scene in Mexico years ago (IIRC, it was someting like
15 years ago).

The more slime Davis and Co. put up, the less I believe anything they regurgitate on camera.

[IpaqMan]

This pro-life conservative Christian strongly agrees with your essay. I look for the long term in my choices.

May God bless your words.

[Afronaut]

Abortion is not the issue in this election. Sad or happy, that's just the case.

You are foolish in your mindset and this post of yours makes me happy that you are no longer a "Minister" and that you are configuring printers for users in an IT Job somewhere.

If you think that the issue is NOT abortion read on:

"Arnold's greatest contribution to American life may be that he will resurrect the liberal wing of the Republican Party. Some of these right-wing ideologues don't understand that yet. I think he's a new kind of Republican," Laurence Leamer, author of "The Kennedy Women

Some suggest Schwarzenegger&#8217;s leftist social views are irrelevant because this race is based on economics. But does anyone doubt that the 2004 Republican convention in New York would be dominated by media heavies tripping over themselves to get the governor of the nation&#8217;s most populous state to denounce the GOP platform on social issues (Abortion) as "out of the mainstream"?

He would probably become the keynote speaker, or be at least as prominent on the podium as Christopher Reeve was for the Democrats the last time around, dominating one of the convention nights.

You have no Idea what you are doing supporting this liberal candidate. Time will show you the lesson that many have been posting here trying to warn you and others.

[Cicero]

Yes, you can make a prudential case for it. Arnold is pro-abortion, but so are the other candidates. And the pros have manipulated things so there really isn't much choice.

I have two reservations. First, it gives a victory to Karl Rove, Gerald Parsky, and the Republican operatives who are behind the Big Tent movement and would love to get the party out of the abortion quarrel somehow by dropping the prolife plank. Theyt couldn't win honestly through Riordan last year, so now they've done it through the back door.

Second, Arnold is virtually certain to go to New York and front for the pro-aborts in the party, demanding that the party drop the pro-life plank at the Republican convention. Hopefully they will resist, if not for moral reasons for practical reasons, since the majority of voters in most states are, mirabile dictu, pro-life. But it's a big risk, and if he were to succeed it would be a major disaster for all concerned: prolifers AND Republicans.

But a case certainly can be made that given the situation Arnold is the best choice. I'm glad I'm not voting in California, because I couldn't vote for the guy in these circumstances.

[Afronaut]

Some suggest Schwarzeneggers leftist social views are irrelevant because this race is based on economics. But does anyone doubt that the 2004 Republican convention in New York would be dominated by media heavies tripping over themselves to get the governor of the nations most populous state to denounce the GOP platform on social issues (Abortion) as "out of the mainstream"?

[bejaykay]

shelly,
I reply to your post because you directly address an issue in mine, namely Schwarzenegger's views on abortion as a disqualifier for his holding office. As I stated, I would not vote for any antilife candidate when a prolife candidate existed. The antilife viewpoint is not just one event or issue. It is as disqualifying of a candidate as proslavery or progenocide. God is very concerned with how we conduct our daily life. I have protested and prayed in front of abortion clinics. I have given money to problem pregnancy centers and homes for unwed mothers. This I say in response to whether people like me have fought hard to end abortion. Voting for a prolife candidate (there must be more than one on a ballot of 135) is fighting to end abortion.

Your last sentence reveals a common error about Christian judgement. You say that everyone of us has to vote their conscience and this is true. But they also have a duty to fully inform their conscience and to pray for guidance. It is absolutely my duty (not right) to admonish a fellow Christian who I feel is not choosing wisely. Hopefully I can do that in a charitable way.
God Bless

PS BibChr where is the promised response to several pointed questions posed by me and others?

[IpaqMan]

I agree with your assessment that Arnold is not qualified to be a Deacon or Bishop. I would not elect him.

However, he is not running for Deacon. He is more qualified than many of our current political leaders. He has business acumen. He knows how to win the support of others for good works. He admits his wrongdoings and he looks forward.

[Cicero]

Yes, the media could have an absolute field day if Arnold comes out with more of that Big Tent nonsense. He could damage the party just as badly as McCain did in 2000, and the media would support him 100%. Even if he didn't succeed in dropping the pro-life plank, he would once again divide the party right down the middle and convince a lot of voters to stay home in 2004, just when we have a chance of pushing over the top in the Senate and getting some decent judges into office.

[independentmind]

Second, Arnold is virtually certain to go to New York and front for the pro-aborts in the party, demanding that the party drop the pro-life plank at the Republican convention.

I have said nothing about this election previous to this post, but you have voiced my biggest concern. To what extent will Arnold pull the entire Republican Party to the left?

[truthandlife]

Arnold is not pro-life, though he is better than the current governor (i.e. he favors parental notification, and opposes live-birth infanticide). But he will support politicans who are pro-life.

Arnold Says He's PRO ABORTION not PRO CHOICE (ABC News Sunday (10/5/03)

Isn't that special!

[Ol' Sparky]

If you vote for this guy with a clear conscience, you're acting as a Republican first and Christian and distance third. Supporting a man who supports abortion and the homosexual agenda, has a Clinton-like character and few core beliefs is the kind of compromising that contributes to the moral decline of a nation.

And, more often than not, these type of Republican betray all conservatives, social and economic.

[IpaqMan]

Concerning pro-life candidates, I choose to move the election to the right. It seems to me that choosing Arnold is moving to the right. He at least has stated that he is against partial birth abortion. That is to the right of the current administration.

I feel confident that there are candidates of the 135 further to the right even to the right of Tom McC. Should I waste a vote for one of those candidates? It is my belief that McC's hard-headedness is not going to be a positive for Republicans in terms of leadership. So even if he were perfect in terms of the issues, he is not a leader.

[sinkspur]

You prove Dan's point.

There has been nastiness on both sides, but, from where I sit, in Texas, the McClintock supporters seem to be the more condescending and high-and-mighty about their candidate.

Also, you guys aren't any fun. Why would anybody support a candidate whose supporters are such church ladies?