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To: Cicero
The Pope and the left wing Bishops have offered no comment on the massive and plentiful mass graves found in Iraq. Not a pretty pictur as this Catholic of Irish descent sits in CT observing Rome.
10 posted on 10/04/2003 8:46:09 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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11 posted on 10/04/2003 9:04:55 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: jwalsh07
The Pope and the left wing Bishops have offered no comment on the massive and plentiful mass graves found in Iraq. Not a pretty pictur as this Catholic of Irish descent sits in CT observing Rome.

That lack of acknowlegement is truly sad, as are recent reports that the Vatican wants to join the U.N.

My mom was born in Ireland, but she was an atypical conservative Republican from the minute her feet touched US soil. I miss her, but in a sense I'm glad she isn't around to see her beloved church, and Pope, on a such a downward spiral.

13 posted on 10/04/2003 10:13:57 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: jwalsh07
The Pope is probably not even aware of what's going on at this point. I think he is probably focused on his goal.

I should have maybe mentioned a third weakness in his thinking, which relates to the other two. He underestimates the duty of the magistrate to enforce justice, by force if necessary. He underestimates the duty of the magistrate to protect the people, by force if necessary. And he underestimates the duty of the Pope to enforce a reasonable degree of faithfulness to the magisterium among his hierarchy, by firing or excommunicating them if necessary.

I'm a little less sure about the last, because it's a prudential judgment, and it's his to make. As for capital punishment and war, those are prudential judgments for the political leaders of nations to make. The Church can only advise them in general terms.
14 posted on 10/04/2003 11:45:26 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jwalsh07
the catholic church is not liberal. the pope, as did most clergy of most faiths, wanted to avoid war. that hardly makes him liberal. nor is the church hierarchy liberal; in fact, they are conservative on almost every issue.
at least here in mid-america, the catholics i know wer more supportive of the war and president bush than the average american. at almost every mass, i heard prayers for the safety of our troops and the success of the war on terrorism.
thagt being said, there is a left-wing brach of catholic clergy and laymen in this country, but primarily where you find the most concentration of the usual suspects--e.g., the coasts, minnesota, college towns, etc.
to be fair, there are anti-americans in way too many groups in this country. let's not smear every catholic, just as we don't smear all college professors, etc.
16 posted on 10/04/2003 1:54:29 PM PDT by jays911
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To: jwalsh07
The Pope and the left wing Bishops have offered no comment on the massive and plentiful mass graves found in Iraq. Not a pretty pictur as this Catholic of Irish descent sits in CT observing Rome.

I'm sure the Holy Father is quaking in his boots. *rolls eyes*
22 posted on 10/04/2003 8:23:24 PM PDT by Conservative til I die (Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
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