McClintock Can't Win? Do the Math Again

Perspicacity & Paradigms Online ^ | October 1, 2003 | Rand Green

[mgstarr]

You know, I had more support and respect for Tom before rabid supporters started drawing the line in the sand and making fellow Freepers feel like ammoral scum. I think it crossed the 11th Commandment standard a while ago.

[mgstarr]

"on this deteriorating RINO website"

No comment necessary.

[WillRain]

My question to the floor is whether there are enough true conservitives in the state to ever eleact a social conservitive? If there is not why in Ron's name do you stay there?

I've always been amazed that more and more people insist on living in the same place as if there are no other decent places to live in this fair land.

Let the socialists have it and when they all tax themselves into oblivion then they will have exposed the falicy of their ideology. Just think - if 30% of California's population is true social conservitive, if you guys moved to any other state (or states) what a revolution could take place there. I make the same charge to the conservitive in New England - let em have it. Move to N.Y. and we'll try to redeem that (maybe the combined conservitives in the 6 New England states could bring enough votes to turn that state around).
Let's pile every socialist Dem we can into New England and then turn the whole lot of them over to Canada.

By the same token, let the socilist take over Cal and make it after their image. Let THEM carry the burden of all those illegals and pay through the nose for all their social dreams. Let them achive zero population growth through abortion and homosexual unions - and in the process become a haven for the lib/socialist in the rest of the nation. California will act as a tremendus magnet purifying the rest of the country. And no matter whether their population sees a net increase or not, when it comes time to elect a prez ar vote in the house they will be JUST ONE extremely liberal state (oaky, 7 actually because the giving New England to Canada schtick is unrealistic :D)

So, who's with me? All conservitives out of New England and California, all the liberals INTO those areas. Then we'll see who's ideas actually work.

Seriously, if McClintok does lose on Tuesday, why don't you guys try to knock of Boxer with him if he's so electable? Ron knows we need every GOP Senator we can get.

[fightu4it]

"I've always been amazed that more and more people insist on living in the same place as if there are no other decent places to live in this fair land."

Is it a greater calling to run from the problem or to stay and fix it? When you start running, where are you going to finally draw a line and say: no farther?

[FairOpinion]

"Apparently, they have a personal axe to grind with McClintock. "

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Sure, they know the REAL McClintock, not the imaginary, fantasy version. You are imagining the Wizard of Oz, and are ignoring the little man behind the curtain.

[WillRain]

I agree when there is a real prospect of winning. but looking at the legislature your fellow citizens have gifted you with I have to wonder if that ship has not sailed.

Keep in mind that I admire anyone who can stay and suffer through the relentless assults of libralism to emerge on the other side of their inevitable failure. But that will take considerable intestinal fortitude.

I'm not advocating "running" anyway, I'm advocating a stratigec repositioning of forces. IF, just as an example, you guys could turn - by your exodus - Washignton, Oregon, Nevada, and Hawaii into majority conservitive states, while confirming California in her liberalism, you lose no Senate seats - since they are already flaming libs - and pick up as many as 8 (not sure if Nevada or Washington already have one GOP Senator or not). And have a like effect on the house and the electoral collage.

You have, by stratigicly repositioning, confirmed one state in the morass she is already hurtling towards, and ressurected the fortunes directly of four more and by extension the whole nation.

And no one will be suffering from Cal's socialism but those who willingly chose to subject themselves to it.

That's not running, it's flanking.

[fightu4it]

"That's not running, it's flanking."

It just is not economically possible for all the conservatives in California to leave. Facing that reality would you go and leave behind your like minded friends or family who couldn't come with you, or would you stay and fight with them?

[4Freedom]

How do you imagine a Conservative will ever be elected in California after Arnold or Bustamante get through legalizing 5 million, 3rd-world, Marxist/Socialist, illegal aliens who then bring in another 10 million of their family to also collect Social Security Disability, Medicaid, Welfare, Food Stamps and other social programs?

[TommyUdo]

"My question to the floor is whether there are enough true conservitives in the state to ever eleact a social conservitive? If there is not why in Ron's name do you stay there?"

Brilliant question. I call it the California Paradox. In a recent conversation with a friend of mine on this very topic and my desire to move, I said, "I won't mortgage my soul for fair weather." I find it odd that this "Free State Project" received such a semi-warm reception here and the very thought of Conservatives leaving the "Golden State" is met with questioning glances. Years ago, I suggested something similiar to a constantly complaining Black friend of mine..."Why don't enough of you get together with U-Haul's, move to Mississippi and take over?"

What I believe is at the very base of some of the "Slash and Burn" rhetoric of some Tom supporters is their belief that since Tom can't win, a Cruz victory is better than an Ahrnold victory because a Cruz victory, they believe, will result in a Uniting of Republicans and we'll "Take California Back" from what they see, quite correctly, as a Cruz led Democratic-Socialist One-Party State. Of course, this would defeat the one real quick way to make California an Anti-Abortion State...Just populate it with Catholics, you know, Mexicans.

They may be correct. But my vote is far too valuable to waste to acheive an outcome, that, by their own admission will bring ruin to this Great State.

Ahrnold has stated he will Repeal the Car Tax, Tax Indian Gaming, Work to eliminate the bill providing Driver Licenses for Illegals, and just today has stated he will demand a renegotiation of the "Sweetheart" contracts with the State's Public Employee Unions (I'd love a State Worker Strike right not...just call me "Scabby"). And, from what I've read from people that know him, he seems a reasonably kind and generous man.

That's quite enough for me.

[speekinout]

Baloney. I've been saying for weeks that Tom doesn't have the personal qualities necessary to be an effective governor.

I've been saying the same thing. But the anti-abortion folks only care about one issue. They won't listen to any other arguments.

[Torie]

The jig is up. The die is cast. The late hit against Arnold was about as effective as the Iraqi air force, totally disgusting, and frankly I think will backfire, particularly amoung younger voters, where the trend to Arnold has been huge. Still the margin is tight enough between Arnold and Bustamante, and enough unknowns are still in place, that I cannot risk voting for the best candidate, McClintock, who now it is clear has absolutely no chance of winning under any scenario. Thus I cast my absentee ballot for Arnold, and will mail it in tomorrow morning. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to actually go to the polls, and thus cannot wait any longer.

I made it clear from the beginning that I never thought it was salubrious to elect Bustamante to sink the state further in the abyss in order to save it, particularly as one living in California who would have to endure the abyss, and thus I eschew any such risky scheme.

I wish McClintock well in his future endeavors, and have nothing but admiration for the man, and hold absolutely no animus for his choosing to run, or stay in. He has served the state well. I leave the animus to others. Regards.

[autoresponder]

There are fools and their are damned fools

Rand Green and Tom McClintock are damned fools

On WABC 770am NYC right now on the "Batchelor & Alexander Show" lib/dem Alexander & lib Republican Batchelor are swearing as gospel that Arnold is a Nazi and semi-raped 6 women.

Bought and paid for by the Clinton machine.

B&A have got to go.

Boycott all of their sponsors; call and email WABC and demand their biased paid-off butts outta there.

They are now defending scummy Wilson and his wife Plame; calling GW and his staff traitors.

Leftie op John Loftus and B&A are claiming Valerie is James Bond and GW put her life at risk (as the Plame-Wilsons negotiate book/movie deals and meet with F.John Kerry & the Clintons!)

B&A do not tale any "peon" audience callers, ala Hillary's "listening tour".......

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Too much honest patriotic radio talent around to let B&A con millions of WABC listeners into destroying California and GW next year.

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McAuliffe, Clinton, & Mulholland run Batchelor & Alexander on WABC 770am NYC

B&A are toast

Make it so now

[autoresponder]

True!

McGovern was the winner except for Ron!

If I fill empty Corona bottles with tap water and put them in thr fridge I believe it will go great with chile, nachos, salsa, and sour cream, right?

[autoresponder]

heh

[autoresponder]

classic reg!

[nopardons]

I don't listen to B&A, but WABC is going to hear from me anyway.

[Houmatt]

McClintock is a proven leader.

So what will you say when he is the proven loser Tuesday?

Let's put this plain: This article is B.S. of the highest caliber. This is reality, even if the authors of this piece don't want to live in it:

Every single poll has placed Arnold Schwarzenegger and Cruz Bustamante at the top two. The only way Bustamante can win is through voter fraud, a commonly held practice held among the California Rats. And the only way McClintock can win is through voter fraud AND Arnold's image being tarnished. Which is not going to happen between now and Tuesday, no matter what the Rats dredge up.

Translation: Pigs will fly before Tommy boy gets elected governor on Tuesday.

[BillyBoy]

>> Really: IL is about as Democrat as CA. Can you hold the Fitzgerald Senate seat next year? <<

I give it about a 45-55% chance that Republicans will retain Fitzgerald's seat. According to the Arniebots, though, it should be impossible that Fitzgerald is there to begin with, since we "all know" that unabashed pro-life, pro-family conservatives are "unelectable" in this kind of state. Only "moderates" like Rich Williamson (Moseley-Braun's '92 opponent) "can win"

>> Whatever happened to your George "Schwarzenegger" Ryan? <<

The same thing that will happen to California's Arnold Schwartzenegger. He broke all his "no new taxes" pledges shortly after taking office and passed everything the Democrats wanted him too. The Democrats then blamed all the state's problems on "corrupt Republican rule" and replaced him with a liberal in their own party.

[Princeliberty]

Haynes is the one with the ego problem
not McClintock.

[Saundra Duffy]

The big story here is how the Republican leaders decided to stab McClintock in the back in favor of a guy who has never won a Republican primary.

Anyway, many of us are "walking for Tom" tomorrow and happy to do it. Yahoo!!

Go, McClintock!!