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To: TopQuark
None of the reasons you listed give me permission, as an educated white man, to stop a poor African or Asian from having babies. This is done by coercion or trickery in some countries. It is wrong to seek to control others in that way.
60 posted on 10/02/2003 8:45:41 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
None of the reasons you listed give me permission, as an educated white man, to stop a poor African or Asian from having babies.

Of course not. But it you may educate people about their options and give them the means to amke the choice.

The programs are designed to enable the choice, so that Africans and Asians have wanted babies, presumably those that they can support.

This is done by coercion or trickery in some countries. Incentives is not coercion. But in any case, you are now backing off from the objective to methods. The methods can be discussed, and some may be objectionable to you. Certainly, if specific cases constitute abuse and deviaton from the statee policies, they have to be addressed. But these aredifferent issues altogether: you have raised the question of ethics. None of the reasons you listed give me permission, as an educated white man, to stop a poor African or Asian from having babies. This is done by coercion or trickery in some countries.

It is wrong to seek to control others in that way.

Yes, if that is how you frame the issue, but you appear to be misinformed. There is nothing wrong with trying to influence the actions of a person that depends on you currently in order to move him towards independence. The same is true with respect to the countries.

Also, influence is not the same thing as control; look it up.

73 posted on 10/03/2003 5:51:20 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Zack Nguyen
None of the reasons you listed give me permission, as an educated white man, to stop a poor African or Asian from having babies. This is done by coercion or trickery in some countries. It is wrong to seek to control others in that way.

The color of the person is immaterial. People who have kids thay can't or won't care for are immoral when they use government to take the fruit of others' labors to support their kids. The proper term is "theft". If it persists, the perps should be jailed. If it repeats, the jail term should be increased each time.

Coercion is entirely appropriate with thieves.

93 posted on 10/03/2003 12:10:17 PM PDT by jimt
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