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To: Aurelius
We have a quote supposedly made in 1861 the first record of which appears in 1867 and you claim that's not a cause for questioning it? Get real!

Kind of like that famous 'But what will I do about the tariff' quote that Lincoln is supposed to have made? A quote made in 1861 that is first detailed about 5 years later in a deposition? Get real!

But on the other hand if you have a quote from Davis that contradicts what he said about slavery then I'm sure you'll post it, right?

763 posted on 10/07/2003 7:05:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Kind of like that famous 'But what will I do about the tariff' quote that Lincoln is supposed to have made? A quote made in 1861 that is first detailed about 5 years later in a deposition? Get real!

Ok. But not in a deposition. The meeting occurred 22 Apr 1861:

Another effort was made to move Abraham Lincoln to peace. On the 22nd, a deputation of six members from each of the five Christian Associations of Young Men in Baltimore, headed by Dr. Fuller, and eloquent clergyman of the Baptist church, went to Washington and had an interview with the President. He received them with a sort of rude formality. Dr. Fuller said, that Maryland had first moved in adopting the constitution, and yet the first blood in this war was shed on her soil; he then interceded for a peaceful separation, entreated that no more troops should pass through Baltimore, impressed upun Mr. Lincoln the terrible responsibility resting on him - that on him depended peace or war - a fratricidal conflict or a happy settlement.
"But," said Lincoln, "what am I to do?"
"Let the country know that you are disposed to recognize the Southern Confederacy," answered Dr. Fuller, "and peace will instantly take the place of anxiety and suspense and war may be averted."
"And what is to become of the revenue?" rejoined Lincoln, "I shall have no government, no resources!" [italics in original]
Robert Reid Howison, "History of the War", Southern Literary Messenger, Vol. 34, Issue 8, August 1862, Richmond, VA., pp. 420-421.
And this one of the same incident:
"But," said Mr. Lincoln, "what am I to do?"
"Why, sir, let the country know that you are disposed to recognize the independance of the Southern States. I say nothing of secession; recognize the fact that they have formed a government of their own; that they will never be united again with the North, and and peace will instantly take the place of anxiety and suspense, and war may be averted."
"And what is to become of the revenue?" was the reply. "I shall have no government - no revenues."
Evert A. Duyckinck, National history of the war for the union, civil, military and naval. Founded on official and other authentic documents, New York: Johnson Fry & Co., 1861.

The meeting was written up in the 23 Apr 1861 edition of the Baltimore Sun, and two other Baltimore papers the following day. Not 5 years after the fact.

772 posted on 10/07/2003 8:26:32 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: Non-Sequitur; nolu chan
But the issue of the authenticity of your quote has nothing to do with that of Lincoln's quote. Nolu chan's posting gives very solid grounds for doubting the authenticity of your quote. If there are similar grounds for doubting the Lincoln quote, so be it, but the two things have nothing to do with one another. This kind of problem has always cropped up in my exchanges with you. You always are bringing up some totally irrelevent issue.
800 posted on 10/07/2003 11:15:36 AM PDT by Aurelius
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