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To: PhilipFreneau
You can run but you can't hide your Democratic heritage and beliefs .

Constitutional revisionism began with the Taney court. See Madison and his comments on the use of the world 'servitude' and the reasons 'slave' was not used in the constitution. The Fugitive Slave Act was a constitutional fraud.

I would also point out that when J Q Adams got up in Congress to mention the right of Massachusetts to secede from the Union, it was the southern Congress that censored him for it. Some actually wanted to boot him. What weak kneed and unconscionable hypocrites you draw your political inheritance from.

Go read Woodrow Wilson some more. He's got a lot of pointers for you.

519 posted on 10/02/2003 5:13:43 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Held_to_Ransom
What weak kneed and unconscionable hypocrites you draw your political inheritance from.

"The people of the United States by the adoption of the federal constitution established a general government for special purposes, reserving to themselves respectively, the rights and authorities not delegated in that instrument. To the compact thereby created, each state acceded in its character as a state, and is a party. The act of union thus entered into being to all intents and purposes a treaty between sovereign states, the general government by this treaty was not constituted the exclusive or final judge of the powers it was to exercise; for if it were so to judge then its judgment and not the constitution would be the measure of its authority.

"Should the general government in any of its departments violate the provisions of the constitution, it rests with the states, and with the people, to apply suitable remedies."

Resolutions of Pennsylvania against the Bank
January 11, 1811

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"The committee are aware of the doctrine, that the Federal Courts are exclusively vested with jurisdiction to declare, in the last resort, the true interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. To this doctrine, in the latitude contended for, they never can give their assent...

"So early as the year 1798 the States and the people were called to declare their opinions upon the question involving the relative rights and powers of the government of the United States. [Here follow extracts from the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798.]

"...The resolutions of Kentucky and Virginia, and of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, the Senate of New York, New Hampshire and Vermont, in reply, and the answers to these replies by the Legislature of Virginia, were a direct and constitutional appeal to the States and the people upon the great question at issue. The appeal was decided by the presidential and other elections of 1800. The States and the people recognized and affirmed the doctrines of Kentucky and Virginia, by effecting a total change in the administration of the federal government... Thus has the question, whether the Federal Courts are the sole expositors of the Constitution of the United States in the last resort, or whether the States, 'as in all other cases of compact among parties having no common judge,' have an equal right to interpret that Constitution for themselves, where their sovereign rights are involved, been decided against the pretension of the federal judges, by the people themselves, the true source of all legitimate powers."

Extracts from the Report and Resolutions of Ohio Relative to the Bank and the Powers of the Federal Judiciary
January 3, 1821

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"Resolved, That the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, faithful to the compact between the people of the United States, according to the plain meaning and intent in which it was understood and acceded to by them, is sincerely anxious for its preservation, but that it is determined, as it doubts not the other states are, to submit to undelegated powers in no body of men on earth [Quoted from the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798]; That the project of the annexation of Texas, unless arrested on the threshhold, may tend to drive these states into a dissolution of the union, and will furnish new calumnies against republican governments of exposing the gross contradiction of a people professing to be free, and yet seeking to extend and perpetuate the subjection of their slaves."

Massachusetts on the Annexation of Texas
March 15, 1844

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"Resolved, That the government, formed by the Constitution of the United States was not the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; but that, as in all other cases of compact among parties having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress."

Legislature of the State of Wisconsin
March 19, 1859

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You were saying?

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521 posted on 10/02/2003 5:50:07 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: Held_to_Ransom
You can run but you can't hide your Democratic heritage and beliefs.

Yea, right, Lefty.

Constitutional revisionism began with the Taney court. See Madison and his comments on the use of the world 'servitude' and the reasons 'slave' was not used in the constitution. The Fugitive Slave Act was a constitutional fraud.

Your statement is pure liberal revisionism. Anyone with even a limited knowledge of history knows that the Constitution would have never been adopted if there had been no provision to protect slavery.

I would also point out that when J Q Adams got up in Congress to mention the right of Massachusetts to secede from the Union, it was the southern Congress that censored him for it. Some actually wanted to boot him. What weak kneed and unconscionable hypocrites you draw your political inheritance from.

Speaking of hypocrisy, all 13 of the states who fought for liberty -- for independence from England -- had slavery. Yet historians refuse to admit that the southern states fought for liberty because, well, they had slavery. In fact, modern liberal thinking is that the State-rights, including secession, was originated by Calhoun. Such hypocrits. To expound on your brief statement, four times northern states threatened secession: 1802; 1811; 1814; and 1844. The first was from Timothy Pickering of Mass, the second from Josiah Quincy from Mass, the third from the Hartford Convention, and the fourth from the Mass Legislature. John Quincy Adams stated, in 1939, "the people of each State have a right to secede from the Confederated Union."

Go read Woodrow Wilson some more. He's got a lot of pointers for you.

Wilson was a tyrant in the mold of Lincoln. He could certainly give you some pointers.

536 posted on 10/03/2003 5:24:54 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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