Posted on 09/30/2003 12:19:22 PM PDT by sheltonmac
Walt and Doctor Oates both know that was worth precisely nothing. Former White Confederate soldiers were allowed to vote. Former Black Union soldiers were denied the right to vote. That is the undeniable reality of Lincoln.
Maybe Casey should've tried that "one armed behind his back" technique he talked about last year.
Walt
Thank you sir. Hope UT has a good season. I really can't gloat much, thinking back to the 90's.
I've read it. Sometimes I wonder if any of you guys have.
Davis has written many books and articles, and many have the same theme; however, I am always a little dubious about the "prolific" authors.
The Cause Lost is now available in paperback (hardback might still be available from Military Book Club). Originally released in 1996.
Walt, I think you have made a legal breakthrough. It is now clear that during the War of 1812, when the Brits/Canadians had troops all over U.S. territory and managed to take Washington, D.C. and burn the White House, the United States ceased to be a sovereign nation.
Does that mean that all the individual states returned to their previous status as sovereigns?
[nc] I did not ask you for sources for page 588 of Donald's book. I am not interested in any irrelevant excrement he may have smeared on page 588 of his book. I asked you to provide a source who at least alleged to have heard the story from one of the parties you fantasize was there on April 11, 1865.
[nc] The phrase "at present" does not appear in your fantasy. Relative to your fantasy, footnoting a non-existent phrase is a waste of time and proves nothing.
[nc] The phrase "to the tyrant" does not appear in your fantasy. Relative to your fantasy, footnoting a non-existent phrase is a waste of time and proves nothing.
[nc] The phrase "if he wished" does not appear in your fantasy. Relative to your fantasy, footnoting a non-existent phrase is a waste of time and proves nothing. This phrase pertains to an irrelevant meeting in New York.
[nc] You have provided no source where anyone claims to have heard any party to your fantasy say anything.
[Walt] Hanchett is cited as providing the material that Paine and Herold heard Booth swear to kill Lincoln.
[nc] You have provided no such material, nor does Hanchett. In contrast, regarding the meeting of April 11, 1865 with General Butler, Lincoln's secretary documents that the meeting was scheduled, and Benjamin Butler, one of the parties, documents it occurred. Numerous historians cite Butler's Book.
[Walt] When we ran through this exercise maybe a year or so ago, seems like Paine and Herold both testified to this effect before various tribunals; Paine's was maybe at his trial.
[nc] This is a desperate lie. The witness list for the trial, and the transcript of the trial, show that neither Lewis Powell/Paine nor David Herold testified at the military kangaroo court. Your other "tribunals" are imaginary.
[Walt] Why this should be an issue, I've no idea.
[nc] It is an issue because you and your quote are frauds. You assert this pile of crap is well-documented, but when challenged to produce said documentation, you can produce nothing and invoke the absurd, "You can find this story related on literally dozens of websites."
[nc] Is this your new standard of proof? -- "You can find this story related on literally dozens of websites."
[Walt]
You've seen this before:"Lincoln's address on April 11 triggered Booth's shift from thought to action. In the crowd outside the White House that evening, he heard the President recommend suffrage for blacks who were educated or had served in the Union armies. "That means nigger citizenship," the actor muttered, and he vowed, "That is the last speech he will ever make." He urged Paine to shoot the President on the spot. When Paine refused, Booth turned in disgust to his other companion, David Herold, and exclaimed, "By God, I'll put him through."
-- "Lincoln" p. 588, by David Donald
THAT is the quote you are trying to document as having been attested to by someone who was there.
Please don't project your innermost desires upon me - I do not share them.
Stating that they were conscripted does not imply dishonour. Just the opposite, I have long held those that served - black, white, red or yellow - in the highest regards.
You didn't have to admit it.
[Walt] As I indicated, these are the sources Donald uses just on page 588 of his book. [nc] I did not ask you for sources for page 588 of Donald's book....
I could care less what you ask. What a moron you are.
You called the story that Booth swore to kill Lincoln over supporting black suffrage a "fairy tale."
It's not. You'd think you'd have the common sense to let it drop.
Walt
[Walt] Can you be a sovereign nation if foreign troops are all over your territory?
Not to mention all the nations in which we have troops stationed. Do they retain their sovereignty?
[nc] The phrase "to the tyrant" does not appear in your fantasy. Relative to your fantasy, footnoting a non-existent phrase is a waste of time and proves nothing.
[nc] The phrase "if he wished" does not appear in your fantasy. Relative to your fantasy, footnoting a non-existent phrase is a waste of time and proves nothing. This phrase pertains to an irrelevant meeting in New York.
I scanned all that out of Donald's book. It's there.
Walt
Not to mention all the nations in which we have troops stationed. Do they retain their sovereignty?
Were they formerly part of the United States, those countries? No.
Are they recognised as sovereign nations? Yes. Was the so-called CSA? No.
You can't really be serious.
Are U.S. military forces searching for the leaders of these countries where our troops are stationed? Would they arrest these countries' leaders and indict them for treason if they caught them?
Are the leaders of Iraq, or Korea, or Germany or Korea on the run from our forces?
I have myself been on military operations with Saudis, and Germans, and Spanish, and Brits. I don't recall hearing that we should open fire on them.
Walt
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