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To: ElkGroveDan; AmericanInTokyo
AIT, I endorse your idea, and actually I expect that Arnold has already launched such an effort. It will be up to Tom whether he wants to come along or be left behind.

EGD, you must be a pilot, because I think I hear the booze talking.

The fact is that Schwarzenegger is within striking distance of winning this WITHOUT Tom McClintock. Frankly, I think that would be the worst possible outcome for the McClintock conservatives. California conservatives would be marginalized for years.

EGD, that is exactly what you and like-thinkers are accomplishing. Your fabled "principles" mean little in the political world of elections won or lost. And that is where you guys are headed: another lost election followed by that all too familiar whine whine whine and carp carp carp.

AIT, I submit to you that it is not the Schwarzenegger faction that has the most to gain, it is the McClintock faction that has the most to lose.

Still it could be a win-win if not for dedicated losers like EGD.
134 posted on 09/26/2003 4:51:57 PM PDT by John Valentine (In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
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To: John Valentine
Still it could be a win-win if not for dedicated losers like EGD.

I resent that you jerk. You have not had the experiences I have had with liberal Republicans. You can talk to me like that after you've walked a precinct or donated a dollar to a Republican campaign. The following is from a post the other day, because I am sick and tired of retyping it.

As for compromising in the name of winning, I did that, to a far greater extent than 99% of the people on FR. I did it three times that I regret, perhaps more. I was a statewide volunteer co-chairman for Pete Wilson in 1990. I did it because I wanted fair reapportionment. I worked my *ss off for those people and I spent thousands of dollars of my own money on printing flyers and picking up bar tabs here and there and buying food for college kids. I made long distance phone calls from my hotel room on business trips in order to put together rallies for the little marine.

All I got from it was a Governor set out to destroy conservatives and the grassroots of the party. Pete set out to remake the party in his own image and damn near destroyed it. He ran primary candidates in every good seat we had and caused us to lose many seats in the legislature. Thos b*st*rtds went on a personal jihad against conservatives who spoke out against Pete's massive tax increase. They kept blacklists and threatened legislators and campaigns against hiring any of us.

I did it a second time. I compromised my beliefs and held my nose to elect a supposed Republican mayor of Los Angeles because at least he would hire Republican staffers and make Republican appointments. The first thing that puke did was to fire all of his Republican campaign staff. He then went out and endorsed Diane Feinstein and donated money to Maxine Waters and every other liberal Democrat he could think of. He called Bill Clinton the greatest leader in the Free World.

Then guess what? I did it again. There was a special election for a congressional seat in the Bay Area in 1996. Liberal Tom Campbell was running for an open congressional seat. We were all told, hold your noses and help out. If nothing else, he's a vote for the Republican Speaker at a time when we need every single vote we can get. So I went out and walked precincts and had liberals try to spit on me for campaigning for a Republican in liberal areas. Campbell squeaked it out. And after the 1996 election in the closest race for Speaker in history that SOB voted against the Republican Speaker who barely won by 6 votes.

Sorry that's not why I'm in this business. Liberal Republicans can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I've compromised in the name of winning way too many times. You guys will all learn. Arnold has it written all over him. I've seen it too many times before. Don't explain to me the need to compromise to advance the Republican Party I've been there. It's the reason we are in such a mess today.

175 posted on 09/26/2003 5:49:55 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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