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Three Days in NYC Jails (Strange Story)
The Village Voice ^ | 9/24/03 | Bryonn Bain

Posted on 09/26/2003 12:08:00 PM PDT by Modernman

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To: A. Pole
Slav on Slav violence.
101 posted on 09/27/2003 1:48:10 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Modernman
The further along you get, the more you start to question whether any of this actually happened.

Exactly what I thought after just four paragraphs. Then I skipped down to the comments, and lo and behold...

Of course, we must bear in mind that this is from the highly reputable Village Voice.

102 posted on 09/27/2003 3:54:41 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons
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To: dennisw
Slav on Slav violence.

Not only Slavs were involved in Gulag (Stalin was not Slavic for example) and Gulag shows something universal about human nature. Pol Pot was not a Slav and fierce, wide spread demand for expansion of prison system in America is not caused by the Slavs.

103 posted on 09/27/2003 4:46:10 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Is 87 billion dollars a great deal of money? Yes. Can our country afford it?" [Secretary Rumsfeld])
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To: Psalm118
I too believe this guy's story. We shouldn't discount his story just because he's a goofy, leftist, new age type nut. I can easily imagine the pain and humiliation of being mistakenly arrested and then treated like trash by bureaucrats making all kinds of assumptions...
104 posted on 09/27/2003 6:55:13 AM PDT by ladyrustic
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To: bicycle thug
I guess I don't remember hearing about that episode. It happens though. I know that in the next county north of us they had some trouble with this sort of thing a while back. Now before they pick anybody up on a warrant, they verify all of the identifying info they can. I think all arrest warrants are supposed to have a physical description, and if they don't match, the person doesn't get picked up.

I just got a call yesterday from a credit card issuer thanking me for for being a holder of one of their cards. Only trouble is, I'm not. I'm still waiting to find out WTF the deal is there. Been through that before. The last person to obtain credit in my name is, I hope, still in prison for murdering a kid in my neighborhood. In the wake of that whole mess, my block put in a secure mailbox - I wasn't the only one on whose name this guy was trading. I just think it's a bad deal when people who do stuff like that are running around with stuff that has my name on it. In this case, the murder weapon was stolen from someone else in the neighborhood, but I imagine it could as well have been bought with that fraudulent credit card, and I don't think I would have enjoyed what might have transpired if that were the case.
105 posted on 09/27/2003 3:36:26 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Keep forgetting to update this thing from thread-specific taglines. Am I the only one?)
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To: ladyrustic
I too believe him. I've had the same happen to me and to friends. The reason(s) why they occur are not as clear as the facts that they do occur. My experience with bad policing, and my experience in the US Army, prove to me that the government does not do anything well. And the more you give it to do, the less well it does it.

I rolled thru right turn on red and sat in Cook County jail Thurs-Tues with no explanation, no phone call. (Oh, you'll get that later. Oh, you should have done that earlier.) Race was not an issue. In traffic court, the judge dismissed for time served and it never went on my record.

I've seen the same happen to Black and Hispanic individuals. A Black computer programmer co-worker of mine was stopped at 6 AM for the crime of "Being in the Northern Suburbs". Rather than get off the expressway and go directly to Allstate, he got off an exit early to stop for donuts. He lost 2 days of work, ran behind on the programs he was coding and his contract was not renewed. (He was not protected by the affirmative action police because he was hired on merit outside the diversity program and the HR people were bent out of shape about it.)

106 posted on 09/28/2003 8:30:16 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: joyce11111
My hinky meter went off about 1/3 down the diatribe.

Mine too. There's something about how he goes from active to passive voice at key places that tells me some things are being left out. Scenes start and then are not finished. We come into conversations in the middle... very NYPD Blue.

107 posted on 09/29/2003 7:58:19 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: opticoax
Amiri Baraka, Move 9? You just showed you true colors Byronn

Mm hmm. I'm surprised the cops weren't all named Goldberg and Kowalski.

108 posted on 09/29/2003 7:59:51 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Modernman
Okay, let's go through this a bit at a time:

It began with a familiar request: "License and registration, please." ....With the requested documents in hand, Officer Caraballo and his partner returned to their vehicle.... I was searched, then handcuffed. .. The partner removed the wallet from my pocket and rummaged through its contents. He confiscated my driver's license, ....

This makes it sound like the license was removed from the wallet, but the earlier paragraph states that he had already handed over the license. Now, maybe it's just bad writing, but...

109 posted on 09/29/2003 8:07:32 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Modernman
Okay, here's another bit:

Williams asked the court for my prints and photos, but his request was denied. He told Judge Robert M. Stolz that this was the seventh case of identity theft I had experienced ... Stolz ordered the delivery of the arrest photos and fingerprints just before the afternoon recess.

So this is all in the same day. The attorney asks for prints and photo. The judge thinks it's just a stalling technique. The attorney explains he's been the victim of identity theft and the judge changes his mind, it looks like immediately (since these initial hearings are generally pretty prefunctory.) I don't see anything peculiar or ominous about this.

Most of what makes the story seem like such a Kafka-esque nightmare are his peculiar interjections of "such-and such has refused to comment" which function as dark hints of conspiracy, along with the weird details and little extras that may or may not be true, like the prisoner being beaten because he refuses to be strip-searched.

110 posted on 09/29/2003 8:19:43 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Modernman
So let's look at the whole thing without the melodramatic, unnecessary details:

Saturday night, November 23, 2002, I was pulled over on the Bruckner Expressway because of a broken taillight. The police officer who ran my license claimed I had multiple warrants out for my arrest. I was searched, then handcuffed.

We went to the 41st Precinct, where I was fingerprinted and had my mug shot taken. No one ever told me what charges were on the warrants that bore my name. I was not allowed to call a lawyer.

Note he doesn't say he wasn't allowed a phone call, but that he wasn't allowed to call a lawyer. Had he already used his phone call?

Day 2 Sunday, November 24 I was taken to an interrogation room. A court-appointed attorney walked in (an employee of the Bronx Legal Aid Society).

If he could afford a lawyer why does he have a court-appointed lawyer? Is he trying to say he wanted to call his own lawyer but they made him accept a court-appointed lawyer? If so, why isn't this described further?

Inside the courtroom, he explains again that he doesn't know about the 3 warrants. His lawyer requests new prints. She asks that he be taken back to his cell until he can be reprinted. (This seems a reasonable procedure.)

Twenty minutes later, I was once again in the interrogation room. This time, Alison Webster, a slender blonde attorney also employed by Bronx Legal Aid, came in and sat across from me. (she takes over the case.) Then she flipped through my file. "This doesn't add up," Webster said. (His interview answers don't jibe with the rap sheet so she thinks he's lying/nuts) I told her that if she checked my fingerprints, she would see my real background. ... Since I was interviewed on 60 Minutes in 2001 about the first incident, I have had more than a dozen cases of identity theft. Funds have been removed from my bank account; credit cards obtained with my Social Security number have been maxed out.

Kind of late to tell us this. Also, wouldn't this have been one of the FIRST THINGS he'd have told the police and both lawyers? And where is his family by now? Why haven't they shown up?

Later that same day .... The judge gave me a $50 ticket for having a busted taillight. (Months later he learns that his license had been suspended and confiscated because the DMV had failed to process records proving insurance coverage for his truck.) But why doesn't the judge address the suspended license? If it's not cleared up till "months later" wouldn't he still be "driving on a suspended license?"

But there were still three warrants for my arrest, one of which included a felony charge of grand larceny. The judge said I would have to return to Manhattan Criminal Court for another hearing. He set bail for me. My family arrived that evening with the money. The clerk counted out $3,000, then apologized.

"I'm sorry," she said. "We don't have any more bail receipts. Mr. Bain will not be able to go home with you today." The prison was out of paper. So I spent another night in jail.

Well, that sucks, but it's just wild incompetence, not a plot.

Day 3 Monday, November 25 Before the sun came up, I was among a dozen or so inmates chained together to board a bus for Rikers Island. Just before we pulled off, I overheard a senior officer change our destination to ... "Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center." ... We were ordered to strip naked and prepare for cavity searches. (Bummer.) At dawn, I was taken with several inmates to the criminal courthouse in Manhattan. A well-dressed young attorney, Eric Williams, introduced himself to me.

Now he has a new, third attorney. Court-appointed? Not court-appointed? Does this mean he got his phone call?

Williams asked the court for my prints and photos, but his request was denied. He told Judge Robert M. Stolz that this was the seventh case of identity theft I had experienced since I was unjustly arrested two years prior....

Stolz ordered the delivery of the arrest photos and fingerprints just before the afternoon recess. He ordered me released on my own recognizance, but I was told to return after lunch. I was then taken back to my cell to sign release forms. Three documents were handed to me. One had my name printed on it, and the others had the name "Anwar Bostick" typed above my Social Security number. I refused to sign the release forms. "You'll sign them if you want to get out of here," a guard said. Another officer agreed. "Anwar Bostick is your alias," the second officer informed me while flipping through the forms. "Are you refusing to sign this? Because if you are, you'll just have to sit in jail and wait until whenever they get around to calling you back to court."

I refused to incriminate myself. They ignored the judge's ruling that I be released, and returned me to a basement holding cell.

The officers did the wrong thing and he did the right thing. As a result, he spent lunch hour in jail. That, too, is a bummer, but not unlike something that happened to me in the military once, and I'm white.

After lunch, a captain and lieutenant for the Department of Corrections showed up to settle the dispute. Following a lengthy debate, it was discovered that my signature was not even necessary.

Okay. So. Where's the rest of the story? Did he go back after lunch to clear up the 3 warrents? Did his prints and photos show he's the victim of identity theft and was he let go? Is this the end of the story?

111 posted on 09/29/2003 8:58:55 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Kenny Bunk
Hey, I just thoughta somthing! ANWAR BOSTIC (K) Good handle for a Bosanian al-qaida boy, ne c'est pas? Maybe the FBI oughta check out the poet-lawyer-actor's story. The terrs do need ID! (And our young friend some counseling)

Moreover, early in the story he claims to have been questioned about terrorist activities.... but never mentions it again in the blow-by-blow account.

112 posted on 09/29/2003 9:11:28 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Anamensis
Okay. So. Where's the rest of the story? Did he go back after lunch to clear up the 3 warrents? Did his prints and photos show he's the victim of identity theft and was he let go? Is this the end of the story?

And what was up with him being questioned about suspected links to terrorism? I find it hard to believe that cops asked him that on a lark- there had to be some basis for that. Even in this day and age, the NYPD don't ask every person they arrest for outstanding warrants about terrorism unless there's something else in the file. Who does this guy hang out with?

I believe he was arrested and that there were some mistakes in the way he was processed. However, I think we're only getting his side of the story when it comes to the secondary details.

113 posted on 09/29/2003 10:19:43 AM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: Modernman
I noticed that too, he claimed to have been questioned without his lawyer about terrorism... but it doesn't show up in his blow-by-blow account. We only see him talking to his THREE lawyers.
114 posted on 09/29/2003 11:40:46 AM PDT by Anamensis
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