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To: SunStar
Running to the Left is not going to convince people on the Left (or even in the Center) to move to the Right.

Who is runing to the left ? California can't go any farther left. Besides you miss the point. Mathmatically there isn't enough people that will go as far right to elect McClintock. You cannot get there from here regardless of who takes a principled stand..

Standing firm on principle and offering a distinct choice will yield results.

Okay. Your standing on the ship labeled Principled-Titanic. Please explain how your principled stand will yield results except to lose ?

However, it may not bring an instant victory.

You still don't get it. You can repeat this process till enternity and the outcome will be the same. You will lose each time. Its simply not possible for the majority to knowing elect someone whose principals are that different than those of the majority. Peeing into the wind will bring about better results than attempting to repeat a losing forumula time after time.

Capitulation in the name of expedience is a losing proposition.

If you were the coach of a football team using your logic, every play you would make would be throwing for a touch down pass because trying to gain one yard at a time is compromising your principles ? Thats nuts.

We've done it for years, and it just makes the Left stronger.

The left has gotten weaker because the GOP has figured out how to gain yards inch by inch and go for the occasional big play. We always lost when we attempted push the American electorate farther right than they were prepared to go.

52 posted on 09/26/2003 12:44:43 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
The left has gotten weaker because the GOP has figured out how to gain yards inch by inch and go for the occasional big play.

I don't mean to be contentious, but when has the CA GOP ever gone for the long play? They haven't. Hell, when did they last gain an inch? There may be examples out there, but most gains have been made by the initiative system we have here.

Look, you let slip your moorings on the right and the only thing thats gonna happen is you'll drift to the left.

Whats more, I think the difference between your's & my view of the electorate is you think they're ideology static, and I think they can be swayed. All it takes is someone willing to unapologetically LEAD. This is what is so frustrating.

64 posted on 09/26/2003 12:50:22 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: VRWC_minion
Who is runing to the left ? California can't go any farther left.

The California GOP is running to the Left. If it continues, this party will stop running conservatives altogether.

If you were the coach of a football team using your logic, every play you would make would be throwing for a touch down pass because trying to gain one yard at a time is compromising your principles ? Thats nuts.

You're not understanding... If this were a football game, Arnold's team is trying to score by running first downs in the opposite team's direction. McClintock is trying to score, but the line of scrimmage gets moved closer to the rival team's end zone.

Okay. Your standing on the ship labeled Principled-Titanic. Please explain how your principled stand will yield results except to lose?

No, California is the Titanic, and Arnold supporters want us to jump onto another ship that just happens to be sinking more slowly.

70 posted on 09/26/2003 12:54:10 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: VRWC_minion
"Who is runing to the left? California can't go any farther left."

If only that were true, there would be no danger in Bustamente taking over. As sick a State California already is, it promises to get worse under Cruz and--arguably--under Arnold. I'm in Virginny so my opinion means nothing in this debate, but it has become troubling to read so much internal fighting as folks trash McClintock supporters as traitors.

Fact is, I'm not so sure a Governor Schwarzeneggar would be that good of a thing fer the State or the GOP...MUD

157 posted on 09/26/2003 1:31:36 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: VRWC_minion
"If you were the coach of a football team using your logic, every play you would make would be throwing for a touch down pass because trying to gain one yard at a time is compromising your principles ? Thats nuts. "

Humm lets do da math. 1 yard at a time x 4 downs = FOUR YARDS! You need 10 yards for a first down.

What did you say was nuts?

269 posted on 09/26/2003 3:28:48 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: VRWC_minion
Standing on principles is a positive value,but if principles causes you to lose all the time,what good are they?

Im tired of seeing Ca.convert to a third world country,and dominated by a Socialist Admin.Tom would make a fine Gov, but he can't win.

Incrementalism is the Key. I agree with your statements. I want to Win!
339 posted on 09/27/2003 1:51:18 PM PDT by stimulate
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