For the GOP, it's More than a Recall

Lt. Col. Gil Ferguson, USMC (Ret.)

[My2Cents]

Out of Arnold and McClintock, which candidates' opinions on the issues most closely resemble yours?

Tom's. But Tom's not going to win, and Arnold is enough of a conservative on fiscal and economic issues that he's acceptable.

[SteveH]

Bush2000, whose flag is set to the great state of Washington, wrote:

Tip O'Neill (though a liberal) had it right when he said, "All politics is local".

If we agree with that, then can we safely ignore out of state opinions? ;-)

[My2Cents]

Nevado casino connections

Do you have any proof?

[milan]

Tom's. But Tom's not going to win, and Arnold is enough of a conservative on fiscal and economic issues that he's acceptable.

Why is this so hard to get through to people?

[pgyanke]

How would voting for McClintock (who I wish was winning) and taking away a vote from someone who is ahead of Bustamante, going to make my life better?

I'm glad you asked... because if everyone who thought as you do got engaged in his candidacy and voted his conscience, HE WOULD BE WINNING!

I used to live in CA. It's not as liberal as everyone says. The cities are liberal-leaning and they get what they deserve. However, I have many friends from across the state that are disengaged from politics because of the attitudes expressed here on FR.

Here's a question for all of your (R)nold RINOs: How did CA get to have one of the top ten economies in the world without people who believe in capitalism? Answer: it didn't. However, people have gotten so used to the Communist-style of voting that they are disenfranchised.

Look to the election of Pete Wilson as an example that CA WANTS A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR but keeps getting disappointed in the results.

We have an opportunity now to give these people a REAL choice. If you give them (R)nold, you will further alienate the conservative electorate.

[VRWC_minion]

So I'll just say you can't move people right by sliding left & leave it at that.

Not true. You have to go where people are in order to reach them. (Another biblical truth which can be seen by Jesus and Paul's actions). If they are walking east, you will not be able to convince them of much if you are walking west. You have to walk east with them for a while in order to even have a conversation with them.

[My2Cents]

assuming the GOP still stands for conservative principles.

Arnold maintains that Californians are taxed too much, that the problem with the budget is too much spending not insufficient revenues, and that the business climate needs to be improved by opposing anti-business legislation. What's not conservative about that?

[milan]

I live in Georgia, but there are these little inventions called air planes...they are really cool, they fly up in the air, no kidding, and you can like go from one part of the country to another. One took me from California to all kinds of places. Can I still play in your forum even though I have a Georgia flag on my web page...thanks.

[Rabid Dog]

Ping

[My2Cents]

Excellent post. Thanks.

Those who claim Arnold isn't in any way conservative are clearly liars, or have chosen not to hear. Why do we bother debating them? They call us "RINOs," but most of them are clearly "MORONs".

[VRWC_minion]

I took the ideological high road before. Took a stand on my principles. I walked up to the booth that year and pushed the Perot button.

My story is worse. I was so pissed off at Bush for going back on his no taxes pledge that I voted for the guy who promised a middle class tax cut. Talk about being a novice and an idiot.

[KellyAdmirer]

I'm glad you asked... because if everyone who thought as you do got engaged in his candidacy and voted his conscience, HE WOULD BE WINNING!

I respect your opinions, but I highly, highly doubt that. McClintock couldn't even win statewide last time for a lesser office that seems perfectly suited to his talents - and close only counts in horseshoes. Arnold is drawing people into the party in droves - you may not like the views of those people, but they make Republicans stronger. Conservates are just not numerous enough on the ground to win statewide in California right now unless they make some effort to reach out to liberals - otherwise, we would be talking about Governor Simon and Controller McClintock and all this would be moot.

[ambrose]

I took the ideological high road before. Took a stand on my principles. I walked up to the booth that year and pushed the Perot button.

Yet another Perot voter for Arnold. I am sensing a real trend here.

[pgyanke]

(Another biblical truth which can be seen by Jesus and Paul's actions). If they are walking east, you will not be able to convince them of much if you are walking west. You have to walk east with them for a while in order to even have a conversation with them.

Sheesh! What is it with mis-applying the Bible today on FR? It's not about WALKING, it's about BEING. Neither Jesus nor Paul EVER compromised their positions... not for pandering and certainly not to save their own lives. Your example is horrible.

[Clock King]

You know, this whole issue of RINOs vs. Real Republicans reminds me of the same kind of debates going on in the rest of society, such as in the Catholic Church. The Church has its dictates, such as no divorce, no homosexuality, etc. But there are those who refuse to leave the organization and join another more inline with their own personal views. They would rather change the organization instead. I assume this must be a human condition: "I grew up as a child in X, therefore I can not leave even though I no longer believe in X's values." Same thing happens within the Democratic Party, too. Never understood that.

[Bush2000]

If we agree with that, then can we safely ignore out of state opinions? ;-)

Of course you can ... but at your own peril... ;-p

[SteveH]

KellyAdmirer, whose flag is set to the great state of Colorado, wrote:

Now, if you were to ask ME if I have all the answere, the answer is definitely YESSSSSS! LOL!

OK, do you support Tom Tancredo's position on illegal immigrants then? Enquiring minds from the state of California want to know the correct answer.

;-)

[milan]

I'm glad you asked... because if everyone who thought as you do got engaged in his candidacy and voted his conscience, HE WOULD BE WINNING!

No, no, no. He would not. Davis would stay in office. Arnold has also appealed to mild democrats...alot of them. If you took the conservative vote away from Arnold, Bustamante would win, or the recall would fail...one or the other. Look man, I don't agree with Arnold on a lot of issues. I don't worship hollywierd. But I can take a loss to move to higher ground. McClintock cannot win in that state, atleast right now.

[Afronaut]

"I'm reaching the conclusion that attempting to have a "discussion" on FR about the recall election in California is now useless, and probably counterproductive. The sides have made up their minds, and no one is going to budge, so why bother?"

Why do you even waste you time on a debate?

You should just wait until the final poll numbers are released before every election and pull the lever for the _R_ that has the highest %. Why bother to argure with the people who will never follow your voting strategy?

[SteveH]

Of course you can ... but at your own peril... ;-p

Okeydokey, just checkin'

;-)