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To: nh1; archy; Mudboy Slim
"But...they bring with them the liberal politics / big government they are used to, it hasn't reached the point of no return yet. This would be a great time for a project like this to start, I would hate for New Hampshire to go the route of Mass."

If these 5,000 people were to go to NH -- or any other state for that matter -- & build the place into all the good & decent things as set forth in their goals?
How long before the riff raff would transcend upon 'em to sieze what's these people have earned & built for themselves?

That kind of coming would be inevitable, don'tcha think?
Isn't that, essentially, what's happened in California?

There'd be no way such a move [read: invasion] could possibly be stopped that c/wouldn't be called "discrimination" of one form or another by the beasts at the federal level.
Fact.

Would mean if push came to shove -- & I certainly believe it ultimately would -- Washington would dispatch US troops to enforce "the law," & do so by force, if necessary.
The people would succumb to the will of the federal leviathon, or else.

Naturally I support this kind of thing 100% & then some.
But isn't the fed threat why whenever this kind of thing has been discussed in the past it was reasoned the "target" would have to be another nation & *not* any single state within the United States of America?

Isn't it Washinton DC & its constitution damning influence that's the problem?
Isn't it Wash DC what any freedom loving person is really trying to flee?

There's just no way any people(s) will be permitted to persue their right to liberty & happiness; IF, it'd mean ignoring the law(s) at the federal level.

Fact is, the way fed laws are written today, when it's all boiled down there exists no "right" of any one person or group which will prevent any other individual or group from destroying the another.
To that end we've seen words &/or phrases coined like, "majority," "protected class" & such malarkey just so the fed insanity can superceed whatever the founding father's had plainly stated would be the rights & rules of the individual states.

Crazy as it is, our constitution's been horribly distorted to reinforce the fed monsters in 2003 America & there's not a lot anyone can do about it.

There's been more than one message sent over the past decade or so which has served to buttress the fed's authority and woe unto those who'd attempt to try this *liberty* stuff.
Waco or Ruby Ridge, for instance, are but only two examples.

I think the feds have made it pretty clear they'll take no crap -- whatsoever -- from anyone, or state.

...who'd dare get in their way of "the plan."

13 posted on 09/25/2003 9:17:52 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Landru
Would mean if push came to shove -- & I certainly believe it ultimately would -- Washington would dispatch US troops to enforce "the law," & do so by force, if necessary. The people would succumb to the will of the federal leviathon, or else.

I have lost a fight or two in my life, both in sandpit training sessions and barroom disagreements. But never to an opponent whose pants were on fire at the time.

-archy-/-

14 posted on 09/25/2003 9:48:33 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Landru
I think the feds have made it pretty clear they'll take no crap -- whatsoever -- from anyone, or state.

...who'd dare get in their way of "the plan."

That was, of course, also the attitude of the Communists ruling the USSR in 1990.

And a year later, you see what it got them. If it comes to that here, they can have a choice: go out quietly, like Gorbachav and the Communists replaced by Yeltsen, then Putin in turn, or go out like Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu of Roumania in December 1989.

Kingdoms fall.


19 posted on 09/25/2003 11:01:52 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Landru
"But...they bring with them the liberal politics / big government they are used to, it hasn't reached the point of no return yet. This would be a great time for a project like this to start, I would hate for New Hampshire to go the route of Mass."

If these 5,000 people were to go to NH -- or any other state for that matter -- & build the place into all the good & decent things as set forth in their goals? How long before the riff raff would transcend upon 'em to sieze what's these people have earned & built for themselves?

That kind of coming would be inevitable, don'tcha think? Isn't that, essentially, what's happened in California?

Well, it is indeed NH that's been chosen, and I've been giving your concerns some serious thought.

At Halloween a year ago, we had roughly a thousand pledged supporters, a year after signups began. Now, not quite a year later, we have 5500. In two years.

Given the present rate of growth- which has not remained constant- it's predicted that we'll reach the goal of 20,000 members in We will reach 20,000 members in approximately 113.7 weeks, at which point the migration begins [though something like 150 Porcupines are already NH residents, and several from nearby states are making the move now, without hesitation, just as I would have had Wyoming been picked]

But the movements are to take place within a 5-year timeframe after the goal of 20,000 has been reached, perhaps as late now as 7 years into the future...and recruiting and pledges will NOT be halted. What happens if they continue to more than double the numbers of pledged porcupines annually for 7 years. Or quadruple, or otherwise increase exponentially? Oct 2002: 1000 FSP member porcupines/ gain 1000

Oct 2003: 5,454 FSP members [as of September 10, 2003]/gain 3500

Oct 2004?

Oct 2005?

Oct 2007?

Oct 2008? [Election year!]

Oct 2009? [5 years from the 01 Oct 2003 announcement of NH as the Goal State]

If the numbers *just* double each year from what they are now:

2004: 10,908

2005: 21,816 [porcupation migration to continue until completion in 2010]

2006: 43,632

2007: 87,264

2008: 174,528

[2009] [349,056]

[2010] [698,112]

NH State voter registration, September ’02 2001 [after list purge]

REPUBLICANS 245,791/ 37.3%
UNDECLARED 242,028/ 36.8%
DEMOCRATS 170,405/ 25.9%

And the projection that the numbers will *only* double is a VERY conservative one, based on the last 24 months. I'm now not as worried as I was, but the Democrats had better be doing some fast dancing. It looks as if they could be in fourth place, not very good for a *major* party.

-archy-/-

29 posted on 10/01/2003 3:59:10 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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