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To: Clintons a commie
And you haven't answered one thing proposed by me or anyone else about the problems in the Church.

What's the point? You won't change your mind, and I'm certainly not going to change mine.

You see the glass as half empty; I see it as half-full. I'm not nearly as pessimistic as you are.

But, every trad I've ever met has to trash the Novus Ordo Church in order to be "right," so I expect nothing less.

239 posted on 09/24/2003 9:19:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
But, every trad I've ever met has to trash the Novus Ordo Church in order to be "right," so I expect nothing less.

First of all, I'm not trashing the "Novus Ordo" Church. There is only one Church, the Catholic Church. But it is suffering a major crisis. That crisis can be traced to the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. This has been admitted by the #2 man in the Church, Cardinal Ratzinger, and by Pope John Paul II himself on ocassion(his 1980 encyclical on the Eucharist where he also talked about touching the Sacred Host as being "A privilege of the ordained", his beatification sermon of Jacinto and Francisco at Fatima, and many other times).

You won't admit there even is a crisis; you diss 1500 years of Catholic tradition to prove yourself right. And when the Vatican actually seems to be making a move to curtail the abuses, you take the side of the American Church establishment and defend things that would have gotten people excommunicated a mere fifty years ago.

265 posted on 09/25/2003 7:11:02 AM PDT by Clintons a commie
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