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Judge Rules Against Do-Not-Call Registry
cnn.com ^ | 9/24/02 | cnn

Posted on 09/24/2003 1:08:49 PM PDT by scab4faa

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - A federal judge has ruled that the Federal Trade Commission overstepped its authority in creating the national ``do-not-call'' list against telemarketers.

The ruling came in a lawsuit brought by telemarketers who challenged the list of 50.6 million numbers submitted by people who do not want to receive business solicitation calls.

The immediate impact of Tuesday's ruling by U.S. District Judge Lee R. West was not clear. He did not issue an order directing an action by the FTC. The list was to go into effect Oct. 1.

West said the main issue in the case was ``whether the FTC had the authority to promulgate a national do-not-call registry. The court finds it did not.''

In 1994, Congress enacted the Telemarketing and Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act that directed the FTC to ``prescribe rules prohibiting deceptive ... and other abusive telemarketing acts.''

But the judge said Congress gave the Federal Communications Commission, not the FTC, the authority to operate ``a single national database to compile a list of telephone numbers of residential subscribers who object to receiving telephone solicitations.''

The FTC said the Omnibus Appropriations Act, signed by President Bush in February, authorizes the FTC to ``implement and enforce the do-not-call provisions of the Telemarketing Sales Rule.''

``This decision is clearly incorrect,'' FTC chairman Timothy Muris said Wednesday. ``We will seek every recourse to give American consumers a choice to stop unwanted telemarketing calls.''

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., said they were confident the ruling would be overturned and that they believe Congress gave the FTC authority to operate the registry.

``We will continue to monitor the situation and will take whatever legislative action is necessary to ensure consumers can stop intrusive calls from unwanted telemarketers,'' they said in a joint statement.

Direct Marketing Association, one of the plaintiffs, said it was happy with the ruling, even though it ``acknowledges the wishes of millions of U.S. consumers who have expressed their preferences not to receive telephone-marketing solicitations - as evidenced by the millions of phone numbers registered on the FTC list.''

The DMA, a nonprofit trade organization representing 5,000 U.S. companies, said it will work with its attorneys, the FTC and the FCC during the next few days to evaluate what the ruling will mean for consumers and businesses.

The telemarketing industry estimates the do-not-call list could cut its business in half, costing it up to $50 billion in sales each year. Telemarketers would have to check the list every three months to see who doesn't want to be called. Those who call listed people could be fined up to $11,000 for each violation.

The lawsuit was filed by U.S. Security, Chartered Benefit Services Inc., Global Contact Services Inc., InfoCision Management Corp. and Direct Marketing Association Inc.

A similar lawsuit is pending in U.S. District Court in Denver, where the trade group American Teleservices Association and two telemarketing companies sued in January to keep the FTC from starting the do-not-call program.

In the Denver case, the plaintiffs said the list would violate telemarketers' constitutional rights and exceed the FTC's authority. The FTC argued that the list presented no serious constitutional problems and was created under congressional authority in response to concerns about intrusions into consumers' privacy.

Plaintiffs in the Denver case are Mainstream Marketing Services Inc. of Boulder, Colo., and TMG Marketing Inc., a Nebraska company that operates from Denver.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donotcall; donotcalllist
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To: hadaclueonce
No one has the right to call me without my concent

This is as untrue as no one has the right to ring your doorbell without your consent
As much as I dislike telemarketing calls, they are,for the most part, honest, working people just trying to make a living under very hostile working conditions. The five seconds it takes me to tell them I'm not interested is a small price to pay to keep them out of the welfare line.

21 posted on 09/24/2003 1:39:25 PM PDT by PaulJ
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To: contessa machiaveli
Harassment is already legal, federally and on the State level. It is already illegal to call people for solicitations if they previously told you not to call. Enforcement of this may be a problem, but adding more govt is definitely not the answer to the problem. If you've seen the full details for the plan, exemptions, costs, requiremnets, etc, you'd see that this was a monster in the making.
22 posted on 09/24/2003 1:39:32 PM PDT by Professional
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To: secret garden
From a post I made a couple of weeks ago.

1-877-779-3974 Have fun!
23 posted on 09/24/2003 1:39:36 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: Professional
legal, illegal, duh.
24 posted on 09/24/2003 1:39:57 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Radix
Copyright infringement, vs someone calling you on the phone? Try again.

I want a law agains sushi cars. Those are the little japanese cars with all sorts of gadgets, ugly paint jobs, and performance enhancers. I hate those cars, especially if they have the loud bass music. Where's the law on that!?!
25 posted on 09/24/2003 1:42:29 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Professional
I want to be left alone, they do not pay my phone bill, I want them all to rot in hell.
Since by law we cannot hunt telemarketers down and kill em, and burn their houses and salt their land, the government and its laws is our only option.
26 posted on 09/24/2003 1:43:18 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding sheltlands..)
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To: CDHart
I agree with you. As distateful as a profession as this, it still allows millions of Americans to feed their families.
27 posted on 09/24/2003 1:44:08 PM PDT by Live free or die
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To: Live free or die
so does prostitution..
28 posted on 09/24/2003 1:45:08 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding sheltlands..)
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To: Live free or die
Since by law we cannot hunt telemarketers down and kill em, and burn their houses and salt their land, the government and its laws is our only option.

Are you this tough when a Jehova Witness or someone selling magazines knocks on your door? Or are you only like that when you don't have to face them?

29 posted on 09/24/2003 1:45:58 PM PDT by PaulJ
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To: scab4faa
Previous thread.

(However, I don't consider this thread to be a duplicate. There is quite a bit more information in the article)

30 posted on 09/24/2003 1:47:36 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: scab4faa
HOW TO STOP TELEMARKETERS

The most valuable thing that telemarketers have is time. They have to pay people to make all those phone calls and the best thing you can do for them if you don't intend to buy anything is to hang up on them. They can then call the next person until they eventually find someone demented enough purchase their junk.

But suppose everyone who gets a call from these pests listens carefully, asks for details and generally wastes their time before hanging up. It immediately becomes about ten times more expensive for them to do business. Most of them would go out of business in a week.

So whenever I get a call or message I am always polite, I listen and keep them on the line as long as I can. Often I invite them to call back in half an hour (once I got about 6 callbacks one night from a telemarketer soliciting funds for an alumni association).

Sure, it's time consuming, but I figure I'm doing the world a favor.



31 posted on 09/24/2003 1:50:17 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Professional
Sometimes people support bad, dangerous, idiotic laws. This was such. And rightly so, the courts hopefully will never allow the govt to control who gets to call you. That is NOT the responsibility of the govt.

But why shouldn't I have the ability to control who calls me?

32 posted on 09/24/2003 1:53:17 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona
Because you don't have the cheese.
33 posted on 09/24/2003 1:54:24 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Dan Evans
That will just keep you on their list. Better telling them that you don't want to be called, but thanks anyway. Be sure to tell them to put you on their do not call list. If they call again, then ask to speak with the manager. A reputable company, 99.9%, will honor your wishes. The last thing they want is an escalated problem.

THe phone company has a variety of phone products to stop solicitors. If you haven't chewed THEIR heads off already, I'm surprised they haven't told you. Qwest is really good at this, and I never get calls anymore, when it used to be a real problem.

34 posted on 09/24/2003 1:59:05 PM PDT by Professional
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To: BlazingArizona
You do. With caller id. Even the barely-free market responded to your cry for help.
35 posted on 09/24/2003 1:59:05 PM PDT by bvw
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To: PaulJ
This is as untrue as no one has the right to ring your doorbell without your consent

If you have a sign posted on your door reading "NO PEDDLERS OR SOLICITORS", then any peddler or solicitor who rings your doorbell is trespassing.

36 posted on 09/24/2003 2:01:01 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: hadaclueonce
IGNORE 'Professional' he is all over the DNC list threads. He is just a STUPID salesman. Go sell something to someone who cares, and yes we still want your home number you a-hole!

NO MORE CALLS!
37 posted on 09/24/2003 2:04:33 PM PDT by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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To: PaulJ
when I go to the door naked, they leave...and believe it or not, they don't call back..
38 posted on 09/24/2003 2:06:30 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding sheltlands..)
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To: Professional
Enforcement of this may be a problem, but adding more govt is definitely not the answer to the problem. If you've seen the full details for the plan, exemptions, costs, requiremnets, etc, you'd see that this was a monster in the making.

Since the national Do Not Call list signup period began, I've been gettng a lot more calls from telemarketers than before, most of them computer-generated recordings that, unlike the starving-artist types you defend, are not impressed by whatever I might yell back at them or by any instruction to "put me on your do not call list".

Furthermore, they have started to leave messages on my machine, which never happened in the past. If I've been out of the house for the day I have come home to as many as eight of their messages stacked up on my machine. It's as though they have decalred war on the consumer and are trying to get back at us by blowing out the phones before this list goes into operation.

Okay, let's save ourselves the complexity of setting up a DNC list. Let's ban telemarketing in all forms, by anyone, under any circumstances whatever.

39 posted on 09/24/2003 2:07:25 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: PaulJ
Are you this tough when a Jehova Witness or someone selling magazines knocks on your door? Or are you only like that when you don't have to face them?

There's no comparison. You can see who's at your door and can refuse to answer the bell.

40 posted on 09/24/2003 2:09:16 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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