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To: justshutupandtakeit
Tracing it to Oswald involves leaps of faith I am not willing to make.

Right.

There is only a picture of him with the gun, he ordered the gun, and he left his house on Nov. 22nd with a gun-shaped object wrapped in a blanket. Real "leap of faith."

57 posted on 09/24/2003 3:05:05 PM PDT by veronica (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/bombings/petition.html - Homicide bombings = war crimes - sign this!)
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To: veronica; justshutupandtakeit; JoeA; marron
Gerald Posner, Case Closed, 1993, is refuted in detail by Harold Weisberg, Case Open, 1994.

Weisberg, former OSS and United States Senate investigator, is author of eight books on the assassination beginning with Whitewash, 1965.

Weisberg's efforts led to the Freedom of Information Act. He obtained hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from the FBI and CIA through his twelve suits over the course of years.

Posner spent three days going through some of the sixty file cabinets in Weisberg's basement--but carefully omitted evidence disproving his lone gunman theory.

Posner presents no new evidence, ignores much existing evidence, claims credit for others' work, and misrepresents the statements of witnesses to further his agenda.

Regarding "a picture of him with the gun", the backyard photos are of questionable origin and authenticity. Marina was isolated and pressured by the FBI to admit taking one photo. . .until a second was found. Then a third was found.

She could not remember the date she took the photo(s), and when she did, it was changed several times, never accounting for the vegetation visible versus the season of the session.

As for "he ordered the gun", the postal money order was purchased during a time when Oswald was clocked in at the Depository. The gun was sent to a post office box for A. Hidell, but Oswald was not approved for pick up--and no one observed him picking up the gun.

As for "he left his house on Nov. 22nd with a gun-shaped object wrapped in a blanket", he went to work that morning with a paper-wrapped package he said held curtain rods.

His neighbor who drove him told the FBI the package was 27 inches long, the length of the curtain rods in Ruth Paine's garage, and quite a bit shorter than the shortest piece of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle even disassembled, some 34 inches.

Frazier's sister Mrs. Randle testified to the Commission the package was 27 inches in length.

The package was wrapped in paper, not a blanket.

As for a "witness" to "Oswald" shooting from the Depository, that would be Howard Brennan, who "was unable to make a positive identification. . . .The Commission, therefore, does not base its conclusion. . . .on Brennan's subsequent certain identification of Lee Harvey Oswald. . . ." [WR 145-146]

Because Brennan did not identify Oswald until he saw Oswald on television.

Believers in the Warren Commission are as certain of Oswald's guilt as they are that Admiral Yamamoto made the "sleeping giant" comment after attacking Pearl Harbor--

Yamamoto never made the comment; it was in the filmscript for Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970).

75 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:09 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: veronica; PhilDragoo
One small problem is that the gun recovered was not the gun ordered. They were different lengths. Another is that no one ever saw him practicing with it. There is no record of him ever purchasing ammo for it nor was any found in his effects. It was alledgedly carried in to the TSBD and reassembled with no chance to properly sight it even if it could have been properly sighted. But that should not bother one with faith.

Another interesting fact is apparently anyone could have sent anything to that mailbox and picked it up without a record. There is no authorization for Alex Hidell to receive mail in the box or record that anyone claiming to be Alex Hidell did so.

Marina says she took photos of Oswald with the guns but that the ones in the Warren Commission Report are NOT the ones she took.

Phil, do you have any evidence that the gun alledged to have been removed from the TSBD was tested for having been fired that day? I have heard that it was not and that the WC has no record of that being done. If there is no record I am assuming that means that it WAS done and found to have NOT been fired. It is almost inconceivable that such a standard test would not have been done.
79 posted on 09/25/2003 10:33:11 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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