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Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Greater 1.4 Billion Years Ago
Science Daily News ^ | September 19, 2003 | Staff via Virginia Tech Release

Posted on 09/20/2003 9:43:49 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou

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To: Dr Zilman
Global Warming is a natural event. Science proves it. Unfortunately, the Luddites who promote the "dangers" of Global Warming have siezed upon the topic to force their perverse desires of anti-technological advancement on the worlds masses. Just as the forces against change and advancement failed prior to the Renaissance, so too will the ignorant be discredited and defeated.
21 posted on 09/21/2003 12:39:47 AM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
...EnvironMENTAList BUMP...
22 posted on 09/21/2003 3:26:55 AM PDT by MayDay72 (...My vehicle...My choice...Keep your laws off my SUV...)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

23 posted on 09/21/2003 3:44:45 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. McClintock doesn't deserve my vote!)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
For the amount of money the Kyoto Treaty will cost us, we could develop a lot of cooling.

Or, the landgrabbing hotheads could move to higher ground...I recommend Canada.

Our national parks, national forests, wildlife refuges, and other public lands total 623 million acres -- 14 times the size of all six New England states, or almost six times the size of California.

24 posted on 09/21/2003 4:29:53 AM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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To: Dr Zilman

The continuous pumping of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere by thousands of power generating facilities doesn't mean a thing

It doesn't begin to even match the output of one volcano, much less the contributions the Earth's total natural emmissions.

 

Mankind's impact is only 0.28% of Total Greenhouse effect

" There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures -- one-twentieth of a degree by 2050. "

Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia,
and former director of the US Weather Satellite Service;
in a Sept. 10, 2001 Letter to Editor, Wall Street Journal

 

Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the "Greenhouse
Effect," expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)

Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics  % of All Greenhouse Gases

% Natural

% Man-made

 Water vapor 95.000% 

 94.999%

0.001% 
 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618% 

 3.502%

0.117% 
 Methane (CH4) 0.360% 

 0.294%

0.066% 
 Nitrous Oxide (N2O) 0.950% 

 0.903%

0.047% 
 Misc. gases ( CFC's, etc.) 0.072% 

 0.025%

0.047% 
 Total 100.00% 

 99.72

0.28% 

 

Climate Catastrophe, A spectroscopic Artifact?

"It is hardly to be expected that for CO2 doubling an increment of IR absorption at the 15 µm edges by 0.17% can cause any significant global warming or even a climate catastrophe.

The radiative forcing for doubling can be calculated by using this figure. If we allocate an absorption of 32 W/m2 [14] over 180º steradiant to the total integral (area) of the n3 band as observed from satellite measurements (Hanel et al., 1971) and applied to a standard atmosphere, and take an increment of 0.17%, the absorption is 0.054 W/m2 - and not 4.3 W/m2.

This is roughly 80 times less than IPCC's radiative forcing.

If we allocate 7.2 degC as greenhouse effect for the present CO2 (as asserted by Kondratjew and Moskalenko in J.T. Houghton's book The Global Climate [14]), the doubling effect should be 0.17% which is 0.012 degC only. If we take 1/80 of the 1.2 degC that result from Stefan-Boltzmann's law with a radiative forcing of 4.3 W/m2, we get a similar value of 0.015 degC."


 

CO2-Temperature Correlations

[ see also: Indermuhle et al. (2000), Monnin et al. (2001), Yokoyama et al. (2000), Clark and Mix (2000) ]

[see: Petit et al. (1999), Staufer et al. (1998), Cheddadi et al., (1998), Raymo et al., 1998, Pagani et al. (1999), Pearson and Palmer (1999), Pearson and Palmer, (2000) ]


 

Seems as though there is room for substantial doubt as to any negative effect human created CO2, Methane etc. may have on our Climate future.

At least these folks believe so:

Petition Project: http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

During the past 2 years, more than 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, have signed the Global Warming Petition.

Specifically declaring:

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate.

Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life.

Nearly all of the initial 17,100 scientist signers have technical training suitable for the evaluation of the relevant research data, and many are trained in related fields.


25 posted on 09/21/2003 7:21:18 AM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: PatrickHenry
Ping.
26 posted on 09/21/2003 11:29:17 AM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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To: *crevo_list; VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
27 posted on 09/21/2003 12:13:50 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. Or try "Virtual Ignore.")
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To: PatrickHenry
Impossible! Where are the fossil SUVs?

Rented a Plymouth Town & Country van for one day while hauling old furniture out of my Mom's house two weeks ago. With two rows of seats pulled out of the back (an operation the dealer did in nothing flat), it handled two writing desks, two single beds, an old kitchen table, and a bunch of odds and ends in two trips. While I don't ordinarily need that much vehicle, I can see the appeal.

28 posted on 09/21/2003 12:46:31 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Chrysler T&C! (Brain fart.)
29 posted on 09/21/2003 12:51:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry
With two rows of seats pulled out of the back (an operation the dealer did in nothing flat), it handled two writing desks, two single beds, an old kitchen table, and a bunch of odds and ends in two trips

LOL! That's bigger than my office! :-)

30 posted on 09/21/2003 1:48:14 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Bet your office uses less gas, though!
31 posted on 09/21/2003 1:55:47 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Bet your office uses less gas, though!

Hopefully the occupant does not produce the gas instead! ROTFLMAO!

32 posted on 09/21/2003 2:00:43 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Susannah
Seems to be an accurate map of ownership, especially in Alaska, where it might be noted only 1% is in private ownership. The actual State of Alaska is about the size of Pennsylvania.
33 posted on 09/21/2003 3:11:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Fledermaus
As with law, the Constitution, simple math, etc., the idiots on the left can't even understand basic scientific facts.

Yes, but they and their sycophants in the press understand human emotion and how to manipulate it to their advantage.

The question becomes, "When will thinking, reasoning people learn that bit of "How to...", also?

I admit it is an uphill battle. The truth is most always less interesting than speculation.

34 posted on 09/21/2003 3:21:56 PM PDT by stboz
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the ping, Patrick.
35 posted on 09/21/2003 5:08:27 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The Tombot's motto is: "I'm opposed to whatever Arnold says, and most definitely against it")
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the heads up! Hugs!
36 posted on 09/21/2003 8:54:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale
The actual State of Alaska is about the size of Pennsylvania

I'm not sure what you mean. Area wise, Alaska is our largest state.
Alaska------656,424 sq miles
Texas-------268,601 sq miles
California--163,707 sq miles

37 posted on 09/21/2003 11:11:23 PM PDT by Susannah (Arnold Schwarzenegger is not the Terminator....he's the Kindergarden Cop!)
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To: PatrickHenry
placemarker
38 posted on 09/22/2003 7:39:56 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Susannah
The actual State of Alaska is about the size of Pennsylvania
I'm not sure what you mean.

The point is that 1% of the area is in private ownership and a larger percentage is in state ownership, the rest, the greatest part of the land mass, is in corporate ownership, either Federal or Native corporation. The actual State of Alaska is small.

39 posted on 09/22/2003 8:53:46 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale
Alaska Land Ownership (source of info):

* Federal government: 222 million acres, 60% of the total area of Alaska.

* State government: Currently the state has received patent to approximately 90 million acres of the 105 million acres granted at statehood. This represents roughly 25% of the total area of Alaska.

* Native lands: These are private lands held by regional and village Native corporations. 44 million acres are owned by Native corporations.

* Private lands: Other than Native land, land in private ownership accounts for less than 1% of land in Alaska.

40 posted on 09/22/2003 11:06:28 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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