[WilliamofCarmichael]

Our own McClellans and contemporary Copperheads deride the president as a miserable failure cheek by jowl with major newspapers.

I doubt if Lincoln's contemporaries wanted a Confederate victory. They just wanted to replace Lincoln with one of their own. I seriously doubt that they wanted to surrender the young country's sovereignty to internationalists or foreign ideologies.

Not so today. President Bush's critics do want to surrender our sovereignty and place us under U.N. (or similar) auspices and its "sizable contingents of bureaucrats and profiteers." Most of them do not hate America they see it as best for America, and the world's peoples.

The more perceived "failures" the better for them. This WOT is their last big chance to impose their future on America.

This war within a war is as important to our future as the WOT itself. And like the war to defend against terrorism there is no peaceful solution. The enemy won't permit it IMO.

Put on your stovepipe hat, Mr. President. Pay attention to the war here. Do whatever is necessary. This is about whose America survives the WOT.

[LS]

No, Lincoln's Dem critics were circulating "PEACE NOW" proposals, and in fact McClellan had such a document already prepared. They were ready to utterly abandon the war, NOT continue it with a different commander in chief.

[Restorer]

I doubt if Lincoln's contemporaries wanted a Confederate victory. They just wanted to replace Lincoln with one of their own.

The true Copperheads did indeed want a Confederate victory. And McClellan's platform called for an immediate end to the war, which would by definition be a victory for the South.

I seriously doubt that they wanted to surrender the young country's sovereignty to internationalists or foreign ideologies.

The Confeds and their northern supporters tried desperately to drag Britain and/or France into the war on the Confederacy's side.