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To: joe032783
Go peddle your load of horsecrap somewhere else. We're wise to people.

Actual Quotes from the Koran: (Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an, the most widely trusted)

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).

Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)

"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)

The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)

The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)

"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)

These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)

Jesus died for your sins. Mohammed would kill you for yours.

44 posted on 10/07/2003 2:03:55 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: Centurion2000; joe032783
And I call B$ on the author of your book for several reasons.

Pedophile : married a girl a SIX years of age and consummated it.

Murdering treacherous brigand: Picked a moon god (of 365 pagan dieties in Arabia) for his god. Signed 10 year treaty of peace with Medina and then promptly broke it when he invaded. Killed the men and enslaved the women and children.

People that follow your book to the letter and the spirit seem to have an excellent shot at killing lots of innocent people.

45 posted on 10/07/2003 2:07:28 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: Centurion2000
Thankyou for at least giving reasons for holding your viewpoint. You misqouted at least two verses. 5:33-34 in yusuf ali's translation should read

33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

I won't address every passage you quoted, but i can at least examine a few.

About these two verses, it says to fight those who fight the messenger, because they "strive with might and main for mischief through the land." You could use this verse to wage war against any group of people who "strive with might and main for mischief through the land." Why do you think we justify our war with al-qaida? I would say it's because they "strive with might and main for mischief through the land."

About the verse that says "Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51). It needs to be understood what "friendship" means in this context. You claimed that Yusuf Ali's translation is "the most widely trusted," but it still must be understood that no translation is universally agreed upon. It also applies to a historical context. It may mean, "don't take jews and christians as protectors." This was revealed at a time when muslims were being attacked and persecuted simply for being muslims.

today, in america, we are free to chose our religion. in muhammad's time, things were different. some(not all christians) and some(not all) jews and some(not all) pagans were trying to kill all of the muslims. muslims were fighting for their lives, the lives of their families, and their property. they were fighting and killing to spread hate.

you quoted 2:191
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
but, you left out the all too critical next verses

192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

once people stop trying to kill you because you are a muslim and people stop oppressing you, you have to stop fighting

55 posted on 10/07/2003 2:38:55 PM PDT by joe032783 (Views of a Muslim)
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To: Centurion2000
Wow man! Thanks for the info. That is powerful and very negative stuff about the Quran. Have you studied Islam? Do we know for sure if they are supposed to take the Quran literally.

I am now learning that different Christians view the Bible differently e.g. Catholics do not take it literally but intepret the Bible based on the audience at the time of the particular book and what the story is trying to teach. while Baptists tend to take the Bible literally and every story told is to be thought to have happened as written. I know I am generalizing and NOT trying to tick anyone off but we as Christians do tend to have our own differences and yet we all believe Jesus died for our sins.
I am not claiming to "know" all this as I am still learning and on my journey of faith with Jesus.

I find it fascinating that you knew so much about Islam and I guess I crave to understand the truth. Whether Islam is about peace or evil or if it's truly just very confusing like our Christian Bible and different churches.

Thanks for reading this post. Any ideas on how I can learn more bout this topic (recommended reading?)
Thanks!
57 posted on 10/07/2003 2:42:18 PM PDT by tray-sea
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