Bush-"Use Of U.S. Strength" Doesn't Cause Terror; Powell-Use Of Israeli Strength Does Cause Terror

ZOA ^ | September 8, 2003

[yonif]

NEW YORK- The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) has condemned the statement by Secretary of State Colin Powell suggesting that Israel's actions cause Palestinian Arab children to grow up to be terrorists.

Speaking on the ABC News program "This Week" on September 7, 2003, Secretary Powell, who supports American assassinations of Bin Laden terror leaders and aides to Saddam Hussein, condemned Israeli assassinations of Hamas terrorist leaders who have murdered hundreds of Israelis and Americans. He said: "To kill one Hamas leader, but wound 9 children or 10 children in the course of this, who will grow up to become Hamas leaders or Hamas killers later, they have to consider the long-term consequences of this policy."

Powell's statement directly contravenes President Bush's national address on the same day, in which he said: "We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength. They are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans."

ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said: "President Bush says terrorism is not caused by the use of American strength; Secretary Powell says terrorism is caused by the use of Israeli strength. President Bush says America must fight the terrorists 'where they live'; Secretary Powell says that Israel must not fight terrorists where they live. These contradictions indicate that the Bush administration has a disturbing double standard when it comes to Israel's fight against terror.

"It is appalling that Secretary Powell is saying Israel's actions cause Palestinian Arab children to grow up to be Hamas terrorists. Arab children grow up to be terrorists because the Palestinian Authority's school system teaches them hatred of Jews and glorification of violence--a school system that Secretary Powell has never demanded be changed. If Secretary Powell wants to prevent Palestinian Arab children from being raised as killers, he should suspend the Bush administration's $215-million in annual aid to the Palestinian Arabs until the change their schools. America does not refrain from killing Bin Laden leaders for fear that children nearby might be wounded and then grow up to be terrorists. America does not refrain from killing aides to Saddam Hussein because children nearby might be wounded might grow up to be Saddam Hussein supporters. Likewise, Israel should not refrain from killing Hamas mass murderers."

[dennisw]

That is not the same with the Pali's... the majority continue to feel oppressed.

Paleostinians oppress themselves via mad dog revanchism and hatred. Take a look at Syria. An impoverished hole run by a dictator that can blame nothing on Israeli "occupation" and oppression. Paleostinians will do no better if/when they get their state

[Almondjoy]

hahahahahhahaha clueless.. simply clueless. What is funny is that you don't understand logic. Nor do you understand in my post my opinion or the fact of the real arugement. Rather than actually thinking you are reacting off emotion and spitting out the ususal nonsense that you spit forth whenever you find yourself in an arguement about the Israeli equation. I feel sorry for you that you are trapped within a pattern of thinking. How can I argue with someone who has no clue what he's arguing about?

The territory is certainly occupied.. at least to a certain extent. Again the question would remain whether or not that continued occupation of land that was no awarded Israel in 1948 is just. Well the Palestinians certainly haven't acted like they could even manage a hilltop let alone a whole country. Your point is again ridciculous.

As far as being in common with Iraq.. I think that was my point already. I didn't realize it was your job to point out the obvious. Good work and good luck to you.

[Almondjoy]

Welcome to hell my friend.. it is your logic that will open the floodgates for simply minded individuals like yourself that have resulted in this tit for tat.. blood for blood thinking.

I guess then you would also agree then we should not worry about the deaths of yuppie children. Since we all know they will spend the first 25 years of their life doing nothing but drugs, stealing from their parents, beating the crap out of the kids from the otherside of the tracks.. and oh yeah.. being gay so they can piss off their parents.

With your logic.. it's best the world just blow itself up anyways since we are all just a bunch of useless trash.

[Almondjoy]

They reflect the reality of the situation.. Simple minds require simple words to get the point across. If you wish to be treated like an intellectual then you must learn to act like one.

[Almondjoy]

But that is not the point... the point is they feel oppressed.. it doesn't matter why.. this is why they attack.. they are simple minded fools who don't get it. But again just so you understand.. that is not the point. They do not "think" like we do. So I could care less what anyone thinks.. I only deal with facts.

[Roughneck]

If you wish to be treated like an intellectual then you must learn to act like one.

I have no desire to be treated as an "intellectual" nor do I have to change my behaviour to suit the likes of YOU. Being cold-hearted and hating terrorists does not, however make one a moron.

You need to learn common courtesy. My opinions are as valid as anyone elses: only liberals launch personal attacks when their opinion is not reflected by others.

Now, YOU were WRONG. Not me.

[TopQuark]

You ARE a victim of public education --- shallow like mud in my backyasd. Stope screaming at the top of your lungs: people might give you more credit that you deserve.

[carton253]

They don't attack because they are oppressed. That's the pretext, but that's not why they attack.

They attack because they see Israel as an invader and occupier of holy Muslim land.

The Israeli presence humiliates Islam. The fact is that not even 5 Arab armies could kick out the Jews. They couldn't in 1948, and they can't today. The Israelis are a constant reminder that Islam has been in retreat since Charles Martel.

The oppression doesn't come from the Israelis. It comes from the Arabs who insist in keeping the Palestinians in camps. It comes from the Arabs who use the Palestinians as the front line in the war against the West.

[Roughneck]

With your logic.. it's best the world just blow itself up anyways since we are all just a bunch of useless trash.


Your logic is twisted. Not mine. Do not post to me again.

[Almondjoy]

Ahh yes the common courtsey that you show when you talk about blowing up 5 years old like it's no big deal.. I will treat you as such. If you don't like it you don't have to respond to me. If you do.. I would love for you to continue to give me the opportunities to show the world that they should save their tears not for these 5 year olds that can't change the world but adults like yourself who continue to plague this world with their disease.

[Almondjoy]

A victim? I'm clearly not afraid to get emotional but I hardly think that speaking with emotion calls for being a victim. What I do find sad is that while I speak with emotion I have clear and concise arguements that you cannot dispute. So instead of meeting me head on you run like a coward behind this "victim" talk.

[Almondjoy]

A victim? I'm clearly not afraid to get emotional but I hardly think that speaking with emotion calls for being a victim. What I do find sad is that while I speak with emotion I have clear and concise arguements that you cannot dispute. So instead of meeting me head on you run like a coward behind this "victim" talk.

[biblewonk]

Bush-"Use Of U.S. Strength" Doesn't Cause Terror; Powell-Use Of Israeli Strength Does Cause Terror

Total BS isn't it?

[Almondjoy]

I would agree with from the point of these groups such as Hamas or countries such as Syria. However that is a mere side note to the families and everyday people that you will meet in the West Bank or Gaza Strip. They are more concerned about earning money for their families and putting food on their table. However, in this enviroment they are often blockaded into their towns and the economies of both countries are being pounded by the terrorists who don't care what their people want.. or what will be good for peace.. rather they want what you have said, relatilation for the humilation they have suffered and the return of "their" land.

[dennisw]

They attack because they see Israel as an invader and occupier of holy Muslim land. ..............


Correct. This is the crux of the conflict:

http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/03/07/030717_crux.asp

What the West fails to understand, however, is that the Palestinians are not truly driven by the letter of international law, but rather by another force - Islam.

The tenets of Islam will never allow the Arabs to view Israel as an entity that may actually have a legitimate claim to the land, but is nonetheless willing to trade that claim for peaceful coexistence.

Israel must, according to Islam, be viewed as the conqueror of a land that once was, and therefore must always be, under the Dar el-Islam - the House of Islam.

This is the starting point, in the Arabs' minds, of any negotiations with Israel, irrespective of historical right or the letter of international law.

With this in mind, it is little wonder that the Palestinians - 10 years into the "peace" process - continue to view Israel as an enemy and teach their children to do the same.

Nor should it be surprising that the Palestinians view violent acts of brutality against the Israeli "conqueror" as a perfectly legitimate means of regaining a land that - while it was never a sovereign Palestinian Arab entity - was once firmly in the grasp of Islam.

http://allahakbar.blogspot.com/

[dennisw]

post 35 is for you

[carton253]

No, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Arab League are not a mere side note. It is the cause. The hatred of Israel burns not from oppression but from Islam.

I have lived on the West Bank. I know and like many Palestinians. I understand their plight.

I have watched them be confined in their homes and curfewed in their cities, which makes travel hard and earning a living even harder. I have watched them celebrate the withdrawal of the IDF, and after the latest terror incident, rage against the IDF who return to protect Israel from suicide bombers. I understand that the average Palestinian can't seem to link the terror to their current state. I have heard them rail against Israel and never once take responsibility for their role in the current situation.

The Palestinians complain and moan about the "oppression" because it is the key that works in the West. Afraid of Arab retaliation, Europe and the world community give in to the Palestinians much like absentee parents guility give into overinduldged children who play on their guilt and fear.

According to the latest polls, the majority of Palestinians back the terrorist agenda. They raise their children to hate and glorify the terrorists and the martyrs.

The responsibility for the plight of the Palestinian people rests solely on the shoulders of the Palestinians.

[carton253]

See my post #37...

[Roughneck]

"The Palestinians complain and moan about the "oppression" because it is the key that works in the West. "

Not the entire West. The majority of Americans, particularly christians, understand satanic propoganda when they see it.

The palestinians are the authors of their own deserved destruction.

[EternalVigilance]

*See my tagline.

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