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Life's Complexity Diminishes Darwinian Potency
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 8/28/03 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 09/08/2003 4:58:18 PM PDT by bondserv

How the Eye Lens Stays Clear   08/28/2003
To act as a true lens that can focus light, the lens of the eye must remain transparent for a lifetime.  Yet the eye lens is not a piece of glass, but a growing, living tissue made up of cells.  How can such a tissue stay clear, when the cells must be nourished, and when they contain organelles and chromosomes that would tend to obscure light?
    Actually, that is exactly the problem with cataracts, one of the leading causes of blindness, in which the lens becomes clouded.  Scientists at Bassnet Labs at Washington University (St. Louis, Missouri) have been studying how the eye maintains transparency, and found an enzyme that, when it fails, leads to cataracts in mice.  The job of this enzyme is to chop up and dispose of DNA in lens cells.  In a normal eye, “Light can pass through the lens because the cells break down their internal structures during development,” reports Science Now.  Nagata et al. at the lab found large amounts of an enzyme named DLAD in mouse lens cells that chops up DNA for disposal.  Mice lacking this enzyme developed cataracts.  Failures in this enzyme, or the gene that codes for it, are also probably implicated in cataract development in humans.
    Their work, published in Nature Aug. 28, explains how lens cells develop: “The eye lens is composed of fibre cells, which develop from the epithelial cells on the anterior surface of the lens.  Differentiation into a lens fibre cell is accompanied by changes in cell shape, the expression of crystallins and the degradation of cellular organelles.”  Until now it was not known how the cell dismantled its organelles and DNA.  The fibre cells have their nuclei removed during maturation, but the DNA remains.  It is the job of DLAD to act like a chipper and degrade the long DNA molecules into fragments that can be expelled.  Even if the other aspects of fibre-cell cleanup succeed, this study shows that DNA stragglers are enough to cause cataracts.
    So normal eye operation depends on the successful cleanup and removal of construction equipment and blueprints: organelles and DNA.  Science Now tells a little more about these remarkable lens cells:  “Even so, these cells aren’t simply empty; they house a highly organized network of proteins called crystallins* that transmit and focus the light passing through.  Any disruption in this sophisticated scaffolding can cloud the lens, causing cataracts.” (Emphasis added.)
    Here is an electron micrograph from Birkbeck College, UK showing how the fibre cells in the lens are stacked in neat rows like lumber with hexagonal edges for close packing. 

What an amazing thing a living, transparent lens is.  Did you ever think about this process, that a sophisticated molecular machine had to be produced from the DNA library that could chop up DNA into fragments, so that they could be removed and not obstruct the light path?  Undoubtedly this is not the only enzyme involved in the cleanup job.  Each fibre cell needs organelles and DNA during development, but they must be cleared away at the right time, and in the right order before the lens is deployed into operation, or else the user is denied the wonder of sight.  This is just one tiny aspect of dozens of complex systems that all must work for vision to work.
    Think of an eagle, detecting from high in the air a fish below the water, and using its visual sensors to accurately gauge its approach velocity, pitch, yaw and roll in order for it to capture food for the young in the nest, whose eyes are just opening to the world.  Muscles, nerves, specialized tissues, detectors, software, image processing, cleanup, maintenance, lubrication and systems integration are just a few subsystems that must be accurately designed and coordinated in this, just one of many such complex sensory organs in the body.
    Evolution is a fake fur that gives warm fuzzies to people who think in glittering generalities.  Those who put on lab coats and examine the details and try to fit them into an evolutionary history get cold shudders.
*A National Library of Medicine paper describes one of these crystallin proteins: “alpha-Crystallin is a major lens protein, comprising up to 40% of total lens proteins, where its structural function is to assist in maintaining the proper refractive index in the lens.  In addition to its structural role, it has been shown to function in a chaperone-like manner.  The chaperone-like function of alpha-crystallin will help prevent the formation of large light-scattering aggregates and possibly cataract. ... Reconstructed images of alpha B-crystallin obtained with cryo-electron microscopy support the concept that alpha B-crystallin is an extremely dynamic molecule and demonstrated that it has a hollow interior.  Interestingly, we present evidence that native alpha-crystallin is significantly more thermally stable than either alpha A- or alpha B-crystallin alone.  In fact, our experiments suggest that a 3:1 ratio of alpha A to alpha B subunit composition in an alpha-crystallin molecule is optimal in terms of thermal stability.  This fascinating result explains the stoichiometric ratios of alpha A- and alpha B-crystallin subunits in the mammalian lens.” (Emphasis added.)


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To: Rudder; gore3000
Actually, the likely scenario is here, but I'm sure there are some subjunctive moods and "perhaps"-es along the way. And gore will still show up back again, dumb as a stump, demanding the same thing from every new person he meets.
61 posted on 09/08/2003 6:51:28 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Rudder
No one with any training in the life sciences would even pretend to be able to construct, for example, an eye akin to that in human beings. But, the fact that we do not understand does not mean it didn't occur.

The fact that we do not understand or are able to explain it means that the gradual evolution of the eye is a matter of faith with you. It is not science. Therefore you have no call to insult those who do not believe as you do and call them names. In addition, that complex systems - and that includes the eye could have evolved is totally unreasonable and that is why there is not a single scientifically legitimate explanation by any evolutionist of the gradual development of any system or major organ of which there are dozens if not hundreds in human beings alone.

62 posted on 09/08/2003 6:51:51 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: DallasMike
Elasmobranchs use progesterone for maintaining water balance, a very difficult chore given inadequate kidneys and the hypersalinity of the ocean. Human beings use it for an entirely different function that has nothing to do with water balance.

63 posted on 09/08/2003 6:52:50 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: gore3000
Gee, I did not intentionally insult anyone here. My apologies if I did.
64 posted on 09/08/2003 6:54:28 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: ClearCase_guy; Rudder
Nice post.
65 posted on 09/08/2003 6:55:15 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: bondserv
A Concise Guide
to Understanding
Evolutionary Theory

You can observe a lot by just watching.
– Yogi Berra

First Law of Scientific Progress
The advance of science can be measured by the rate at which exceptions to previously held laws accumulate.
Corollaries:
1. Exceptions always outnumber rules.
2. There are always exceptions to established exceptions.
3. By the time one masters the exceptions, no one recalls the rules to which they apply.

Darwin’s Law
Nature will tell you a direct lie if she can.
Bloch’s Extension
So will Darwinists.

Finagle’s Creed
Science is true. Don’t be misled by facts.

Finagle’s 2nd Law
No matter what the anticipated result, there will always be someone eager to (a) misinterpret it, (b) fake it, or (c) believe it happened according to his own pet theory.

Finagle’s Rules
3. Draw your curves, then plot your data.
4. In case of doubt, make it sound convincing.
6. Do not believe in miracles – rely on them.

Murphy’s Law of Research
Enough research will tend to support your theory.

Maier’s Law
If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of.
Corollaries:
1. The bigger the theory, the better.
2. The experiments may be considered a success if no more than 50% of the observed measurements must be discarded to obtain a correspondence with the theory.

Eddington’s Theory
The number of different hypotheses erected to explain a given biological phenomenon is inversely proportional to the available knowledge.

Young’s Law
All great discoveries are made by mistake.
Corollary
The greater the funding, the longer it takes to make the mistake.

Peer’s Law
The solution to a problem changes the nature of the problem.

Peter’s Law of Evolution
Competence always contains the seed of incompetence.

Weinberg’s Corollary
An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.

Souder’s Law
Repetition does not establish validity.

Cohen’s Law
What really matters is the name you succeed in imposing on the facts – not the facts themselves.

Harrison’s Postulate
For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.

Thumb’s Second Postulate
An easily-understood, workable falsehood is more useful than a complex, incomprehensible truth.

Ruckert’s Law
There is nothing so small that it can’t be blown out of proportion

Hawkins’ Theory of Progress
Progress does not consist in replacing a theory that is wrong with one that is right. It consists in replacing a theory that is wrong with one that is more subtly wrong.

Macbeth’s Law
The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.

Disraeli’s Dictum
Error is often more earnest than truth.

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66 posted on 09/08/2003 6:55:19 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Rudder
In the meantime, science muddles along trying to explain "how."

Yup, science does muddle along trying to explain how organisms work. However, evolutionists do not. For them, imagining is enough, they don't need no stinkin facts.

67 posted on 09/08/2003 6:56:04 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: Rudder
I don't know, nor does anyone else. But still the search goes on.

Then saying that those who do not believe it evolved should go take a biology course was a bit dishonest of you - don't ya think?

The problem with evolution is that it constantly says something is a fact when there is absolutely no scientific evidence for it. This is what you have done and what evolutionists do all the time.

68 posted on 09/08/2003 7:00:19 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: Rudder
Elasmobranchs use progesterone for maintaining water balance, a very difficult chore given inadequate kidneys and the hypersalinity of the ocean. Human beings use it for an entirely different function that has nothing to do with water balance.
I'm a chemist by training and not a bioligist and freely admit to knowing nothing about elasmobranchs. However, my point is not about chemicals like progesterone that have a purpose, but rather the chemicals that don't have a purpose. Evolution would predict that the body should be churning them out all the time but they're just not there.

I've always found that chemists have a lot more doubt about the current theory of evolution than biologists. It sounds like a great idea at the big picture level but it runs into all sorts of problems at the molecular level.


69 posted on 09/08/2003 7:02:03 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: JesseShurun
The anti-creationists destroyed one of their own favorite arguments against the great flood of Noah the other night on the Positively Biased Station (PBS).

Nova was showing cave divers in Florida. In the cave they were diving in, they discovered a layer of cloudy bacteria seperating different layers of water. The salt water was completely seperated from the fresh water, with the bacteria acting as a protective layer to prevent the layers from mixing.

Hmm, so much for their argument that a global flood would mix the waters, destroying either all the fresh water marine life or all of the salt water marine life.

70 posted on 09/08/2003 7:05:07 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt ( Gun Control - The difference between Lexington Green and Tiennimen Square.)
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To: VadeRetro
Actually, the likely scenario is here,

More garbage from your bud Don Linsay who seems to write it to order. Send him five bucks he will write an article on anything you like.

Please, we are talking science here and that excludes Lindsay, TalkOrigins, Dawkins and Gould (and of course Darwin who asks us to 'imagine' that the eye evolved - some proof!) Well, if that's all that is needed then I ask you to imagine that it did not - now that is just a good a proof as yours!

If science went by the standards set by Darwin and the evolutionists, we would still be riding horses.

71 posted on 09/08/2003 7:05:16 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: bondserv
To be an darwinian is to be an blind idiot by choice.
72 posted on 09/08/2003 7:08:52 PM PDT by nmh
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To: gore3000
If you're going to claim that there is no way something can happen without design, then it should be impossible to imagine a way it could happen without design. What usually happens, though, is if anything there are several competing natural scenarios (theories) championed by different camps. For some reason, however, this situation too is proof of magic.

If all you can do is sneak the bar higher and say, "What's the EVIDENCE of that?" (or in gore terms, "What's the PROOF of that?") then you should drop the "there is no way" argument.

73 posted on 09/08/2003 7:13:06 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: bondserv
To act as a true lens that can focus light, the lens of the eye must remain transparent for a lifetime. Yet the eye lens is not a piece of glass, but a growing, living tissue made up of cells. How can such a tissue stay clear, when the cells must be nourished, and when they contain organelles and chromosomes that would tend to obscure light?

The lenses in your eyes are dead cells that filled with protein before migrating to their assigned spot and dying. The truth is more interesting than this made-up stuff.

74 posted on 09/08/2003 7:13:14 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DallasMike
Evolution would predict that the body should be churning them (various chemicals> out all the time but they're just not there.

You should take endocrinology--you'd love it. Actually many of our biochemicals are manufactured in stages, e.g, cholesterol to progesterone to 5-alpha dihydrotestosterone to testosterone, etc., etc. For some of these intermediary stages function has been found. For others it has not been elucidated. These are some intermediary stages in neurochemistry that are so short-lived that neuroscientists are sure they are not identifying them all. Then there are the neuoropeptides secreted by the hypothalamo-hypophyseal axis. One such has been isolated long ago (adrenalcorticotropic hormone) but still today even the best methods still produce a "contaminated" product that has other (unidentified) neuropeptides present. These contaminants are bioactive.

75 posted on 09/08/2003 7:13:45 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: coloradan; JesseShurun; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC
How old is the old?

It is your limiting factor for allowing all of these fascinatingly, awesomely complex systems to simultaneously develop.

And that's not counting the time to come up with life in the first place.

76 posted on 09/08/2003 7:18:52 PM PDT by xzins (In the beginning was the Word.)
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To: VadeRetro
A few generations can produce the results of "inactive genes" that darken skin color, thicken skin layers, increase body hair density, lighten hair, increase bone density... This can be reversed by the opposing enviromental conditions.

The finches taught us this see-saw adaptation mechanism. More time needed!!

These are all products of adaptation, of which the information was always stored in the DNA. Because my skin becomes thick and scaly doesn't make me more like an alligator. Genetic discoveries are changing the way we viewed supposed interrelated species. The logic behind the assumptions was faulty. Breeders understood more than the scientists.

Supposed beneficial “mutations” can be breed out of creatures, which flies in the face of natural selection. Or we need another 100 billion years. The traits past on to the offspring only represent the adaptive changes the environment inflicted on the parents genetic triggers.
77 posted on 09/08/2003 7:27:09 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
You didn't understand or answer a thing I said. I understand everything you're saying ("Because my skin becomes thick and scaly doesn't make me more like an alligator") but it's all faulty analogy and nothing to do with science.
78 posted on 09/08/2003 7:32:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
The lenses in your eyes are dead cells that filled with protein before migrating to their assigned spot and dying. The truth is more interesting than this made-up stuff.

Is that like a cemetary in a moving swamp? Or does the driver and the hearst just fizzle away? :-)

79 posted on 09/08/2003 7:35:07 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: VadeRetro
I admit I began responding to your post, then spun off to a different tangent. A. E. Wilder-Smith on my mind. :-)

I understood and will try again (as soon as these needy children leave me alone). ;-)
80 posted on 09/08/2003 7:41:51 PM PDT by bondserv
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