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Life's Complexity Diminishes Darwinian Potency
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 8/28/03 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 09/08/2003 4:58:18 PM PDT by bondserv

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To: Rudder
Or you could go to school and learn something about physiology and anatomy.

I guess you know the facts, fill us in.

Did your college class create an eye in a Petri dish? Maybe you are just making a few assumptions that they forgot to teach you.:-)< /sarcasm >

But seriously, as we discover how complex the inner workings of the cell are, we need to pause and determine if a 150-year-old process needs a serious checkup. Pulling teeth in the science community doesn't come easy.

When the nerve of the community finally dies, we might see more scientists choosing to get an evolutionary "root canal".

21 posted on 09/08/2003 6:01:57 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Rudder
What's the question?

Surely you can glean many questions from my post. As a starter, why don't we have millions of chemicals in our bodies just waiting for evolution to use them?

22 posted on 09/08/2003 6:03:54 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Rudder
No need to be mean.

I happen to have looked into the scientific explainations and find them to be seriously wanting.

TalkOrigins is a familiar website to me. Much storytelling there.
23 posted on 09/08/2003 6:06:34 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: boris
Why then do predators not develop long legs?...


24 posted on 09/08/2003 6:08:32 PM PDT by js1138
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To: JesseShurun
Primordial watered down soup feeding the masses PLACEMARKER.
25 posted on 09/08/2003 6:08:42 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned) (designeduniverse.com/webthink 2 Peter 3:5)
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Settling in with popcorn here...
26 posted on 09/08/2003 6:12:11 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: js1138

He would need to gain some weight to get a horse down. ;-)

27 posted on 09/08/2003 6:15:24 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Thank you for a great article bondserv.
28 posted on 09/08/2003 6:17:39 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned) (designeduniverse.com/webthink 2 Peter 3:5)
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To: bondserv
Been there done that


29 posted on 09/08/2003 6:20:14 PM PDT by js1138
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To: goodseedhomeschool (returned)
It hit me like a train. Check out this link where I got the article

Creation-Evolution Headlines

30 posted on 09/08/2003 6:20:21 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: js1138
Been there done that

I've got horses in my backyard too.

31 posted on 09/08/2003 6:21:38 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
The total complexity of biochemical reactions in situ alludes all of us mortals. No one with any training in the life sciences would even pretend to be able to construct, for example, an eye akin to that in human beings. But, the fact that we do not understand does not mean it didn't occur. Currently there is no evidence that some intelligent being designed and constructed the eye, or any other organ for that matter.

Evolution states that there is variation and that some of the variation is adaptive and some is not, depending upon the demands of the environment at any given point in time. Adaptive variations tends to survive and non-adaptive do not. Those with adaptive variation tend to propagate such adaptations, because those who do not don't survive. The direction this all takes depends upon the selective pressures in the environment--not upon what we human beings think is a proper or reasonable direction. That the comlexity of it all overhwelms you is not evidence that there is an "intelligent" designer.

32 posted on 09/08/2003 6:22:15 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: js1138
Much shorter than a horse. A cheeta is a sprinter; horses are long-distance runners.

There would seem to be a niche for long-winded predators with legs as long as horses.

And this does not address my other problems mentioned above.

--Boris

33 posted on 09/08/2003 6:22:36 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Rudder
>Finally, if intelligence is such a wonderful evolutionary destination, why isn't everything intelligent?...

Because in mother nature you do not get to define the destinations.

I think it's a pretty good question. On the planet, there is one animal who principally survives on the basis of intelligence. Scientists say whales are intelligent. But why is that? And what do they do with their intelligence? Chimps are smart (in a way). But where does it get them?

Intelligence is clearly better than fast legs or sharp claws. Yet, in billions of years, only one animal has evolved intelligence in a way that ensures replication of its genes.

There's something special about Man, I think.

34 posted on 09/08/2003 6:23:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: DallasMike
Re: "...why don't we have millions of chemicals in our bodies just waiting for evolution to use them?"

We do.

Check out progesterone and its various--disparate uses--throughout the various species.

35 posted on 09/08/2003 6:27:14 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rudder
"Because in mother nature you do not get to define the destinations."

As mentioned above, eyes have evolved separately many times. It's good to see.

Echolocation evolved separately in the sea and in (e.g.) bats. It's good to hear.

Flight has evolved in mammals, birds, and fish. It's good to fly.

Color vision evolved in insects and fish. Plants evolved brilliant colors to advertise to insects. It is thought that very few mammals have full color vision: then why does Man prove to be the exception?

36 posted on 09/08/2003 6:27:55 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Rudder
But, the fact that we do not understand does not mean it didn't occur.

I agree.

But why wouldn't we go where the evidence leads us, rather than trying to perpetuate an untenable mess that continues to be more and more unlikely.

Small adaptations don’t necessarily lead to trans-species evolution. Common descent could easily be interpreted common designer. A few matching genetic errors could mean a short term exposure to the same mutating mechanisms...

37 posted on 09/08/2003 6:28:55 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: boris
There is probably a niche for a predator armed with a laser cannon. What's your point? All predators are successful or they wouldn't be alive. I guarantee there are predators that can bring down horses. Perhaps not young healthy ones, but certainly the older and weaker ones. Again, what is your point?
38 posted on 09/08/2003 6:30:31 PM PDT by js1138
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To: ClearCase_guy
There's something special about Man, I think.

I agree, and evolution does not detract from that.

39 posted on 09/08/2003 6:30:39 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: bondserv
Thank you for the link :)
40 posted on 09/08/2003 6:32:12 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned) (designeduniverse.com/webthink 2 Peter 3:5)
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