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Cold fusion gets cold shoulder from many scientists
S.F. Chronicle/WSJ ^
| 9/5/2003
| Sharon Begley
Posted on 09/08/2003 11:26:40 AM PDT by B Knotts
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:43:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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"Well, we're here," said physicist Peter Hagelstein to the 150 scientists at the 10th International Conference on Cold Fusion in Cambridge, Mass., last week. "Many people in the scientific community feel we should be shot."
That, actually, would be a big step up for the beleaguered community of cold fusioneers.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: cold; coldfusion; energy; fusion; peterhagelstein
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Sorry...I couldn't resist posting this.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:26:46 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: B Knotts
There are a couple of nut jobs here who make money selling a pseudo science cold fusion magazine (that is not to say that cold fusion in and of itself is pseudo-science). I wish I could remember who they were so I could ping them. It's a Dr. somebody and his sidekick who name starts with a D.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:33:32 AM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: B Knotts
"What these claims need is critical scrutiny by skeptics. That's how science normally functions. But in cold fusion, it isn't. And that's the worst pathology of all."
I read this article in the hard copy WSJ. Cold fusion will attract attention when real usable results are produced.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:35:47 AM PDT
by
fishtank
To: fishtank
Perhaps. I just find the whole thing fascinating, both the sideshow atmosphere that has grown around cold fusion (or whatever it is) and the orthodoxy enforced against anyone who thinks there may be something to it.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:40:20 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: B Knotts
You know something's true when you can buy it at Wal*Mart.
5
posted on
09/08/2003 11:50:48 AM PDT
by
SpaceBar
To: B Knotts
Copernicus got the same treatment. Galileo was imprisoned by the catholic church for equivalent heresy against 'common knowledge'. Columbus was ridiculed and ostracized for espusing the belief that the world was round.
Science is just as political and emotional as any other form of human endeavor. Just look at 'global warming'. 'Science' has always been as much a political tool as a systematic examination of our environment. All major scientific advances have been the subject of scorn and ridicule at their inception. It's just the human factor in play.
When the cold fusion folks reach a point of having usable, reproducible benefits to society, the worm will turn.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:52:09 AM PDT
by
jimkress
(Go away Pat Go away!)
To: jimkress
espusing = espousing
Got to get a new spell checker ...
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:53:11 AM PDT
by
jimkress
(Go away Pat Go away!)
To: fishtank
If were working on cold fusion and I had solid reason to believe that there was anything to cold fusion, I'd jump for joy that major scientists weren't chasing it. No competition for patents, or for getting the thing to market.
And then the money would be mine! Mine! ALL MINE!
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:55:20 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
To: B Knotts
It has been years since a major physics journal published a paper on cold fusion. There is a reason, believe it or not, why physics journals read by physicists are read by physicists. It's a matter of trust. If there is deceit happening in the journals, the journals very soon would become unreliable for transmission of information between and among scientists. Then, very soon after that, science would descend to the level of science in the 3rd world. Without communication, science would be destroyed.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:57:24 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: B Knotts
Consider for later reading and reply.
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posted on
09/08/2003 11:58:48 AM PDT
by
SES1066
To: Rodney King
"...It's a Dr. somebody and his sidekick who name starts with a D..."
How could you forget? It's Doctor Muon and his trusty sidekick, Deuterium Boy!
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:01:05 PM PDT
by
Rebel_Ace
(Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
To: RightWhale
If there is a reputable researcher out there doing work in cold fusion, he/she should:
(1) Never use the term "cold fusion" in their publications.
(2) Never cite as a reference an article mentioning "cold fusion".
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:03:02 PM PDT
by
fishtank
To: B Knotts
Ponds and Fleichman bump.
To: B Knotts
So, if you and an anchor are in a row boat in a swiming pool, and you throw the anchor overboard. Does the water level go up or down?
The question is a good example of how the mind can alter the math.
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:05:33 PM PDT
by
Dead Dog
To: B Knotts
re: ""make us conclude that we are seeing new physics."
Oh come on. Physics has not changed since the Creation. What is possible to change is our understanding of it.
To: RonHolzwarth
Just a guess...but I reckon that's what he meant. :-)
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:11:49 PM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: B Knotts
The Cold Fusion meeting was in Cambridge MA and at MIT.
Many FReepers were there. Cold fusion is very real -- as is its coverup.
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:12:20 PM PDT
by
Diogenesis
(If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
To: fishtank
Sure. There's plenty of lab work and accompanying formulas to develop in the nuts and bolts of the associated reactions. There could be a new way to 'see' the adsorption of hydrogen atoms or molecules onto palladium or platinum. Computer models could provide some colorful diagrams, and an article could appear in Physics World. There must be thousands of submicroscopic phenomena available in the apparatus without even worrying about the cold fusion intent.
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:14:46 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: Rodney King
You are a nut case who has a history of diverting these threads. Cold fusion is real.
For FReepers and scientists who care about what is going on:
New Scientist Features Cold Fusion
"No sooner had cold fusion surfaced than it was written off, and the idea of
extracting virtually limitless free energy from water became taboo. So how come
a small band of experienced researchers working for the US Navy just can't let
it drop?"
Theoretical Framework for Anomalous Heat and 4He in Transition Metal Systems
Deuteron Fluxing and the Ion Band State Theory
Calorimetric Principles and Problems in Pd-D2O Electrolysis
Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems, Final Report
Thermal and Nuclear Aspects of the Pd/D2O System, Vol 1
Thermal and Nuclear Aspects of the Pd/D2O System, Vol 2
"...California is experiencing rolling blackouts due to power shortages.
Conventional engineering, planned ahead, could have prevented these
blackouts, but it has been politically expedient to ignore the inevitable.
We do not know if Cold Fusion will be the answer to future energy needs,
but we do know the existence of Cold Fusion phenomenon through
repeated observations by scientists throughout the world.
It is time that this phenomenon be investigated
so that we can reap whatever benefits accrue from additional scientific understanding.
It is time for government funding organizations to invest in this research"
Dr. Frank E. Gordon
Head, Navigation and Applied Sciences Department
Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center, San Diego
Cold Fusion Times
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:15:43 PM PDT
by
Diogenesis
(If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
To: B Knotts
One of the things I found most disturbing about all of the hoopla about cold fusion was:
The preferred reaction is:
H2 + H2 yields He3 + 1 neutron
What this means is the reaction is a potent source of fast neutrons as well as gamma radiation. The original researchers should have gotten high radiation exposure in short order, even a many times lethal dose. That is the most questionable thing about their claims.
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posted on
09/08/2003 12:22:18 PM PDT
by
punster
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