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The Wailing Wall?-The defensive wall is Israel's tragic -- but necessary -- project
New York Times/Frontpagemagazine ^ | 9-8-03 | Thomas Friedman

Posted on 09/08/2003 6:10:28 AM PDT by SJackson

If you want to understand why Israel is building a wall and fence around the West Bank to defend against suicide bombers, just hop on any bus in Jerusalem. You can't wait to get off. You scrutinize every passenger. You look at every backpack. You flinch when another bus pulls alongside. And you can't wait to get off. Yes, Israelis admit it. Suicide bombing of buses and cafes has made them crazy, and the wall-fence they are building is a concrete expression of all those primordial fears.

"It is a tragic project," says the Haaretz writer Ari Shavit. "It looks like the Berlin Wall. It looks wrong. But there is a lot to be said in defense of the wall. No one in Israel actually wanted the wall — the government didn't want it, the army didn't want it, the right didn't want it. It was imposed on the establishment by popular sentiment. This is the Israeli people's reaction to the intifada and the suicide bombing. What the wall says is that we want to have our coastline democracy — a small, sane, quiet country of our own, keeping both the Palestinians and the settlers out. In this sense, I think there is wisdom in it."

No question, this wall-fence marks a major turning point in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But whether it will be a turning point toward sanity and quiet, as so many Israelis hope, or will instead fuel the conflict, will depend, quite literally, on which way the wall itself turns.

For now only about one-fifth of the wall has been completed — along the northern and western borders between the West Bank and Israel, and a few areas in Jerusalem. But as the wall snakes south, Ariel Sharon, the hard-line Israeli prime minister, has to soon decide: Will it continue to hew roughly to the 1967 Green Line border or will it turn east, deep into the West Bank, to protect most Jewish settlements. If it turns east, it will imprison hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, separating them from their fields, families and jobs, a process that is already starting.

For now, Mr. Sharon seems paralyzed. The Americans, Israeli left-wing parties and Palestinians are tugging him to keep the next stages of the wall near the Green Line, the settlers are pulling him either to abandon the whole idea or include all the major settlement blocks, while the bus-riding Israeli silent majority is simply screaming: "Give us a wall."

In other words, the Israeli left wants the wall to be built in a way that makes it safe for Israel to leave the West Bank and the right wants the wall built in a way that makes it safe for Israel to stay in the West Bank.

A fence that would make the West Bank safe for Israel to leave, argues David Makovsky, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, is a fence that would be built roughly along the outline President Clinton offered Palestinians and Israelis — which called upon Israel to turn over 95 percent of the West Bank and East Jerusalem in return for peace with the Palestinians. Since 75 percent of the settlers live on 5 percent of the West Bank — just across the Green Line from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem — the majority could be included inside the fence, said Mr. Makovsky in the latest issue of Foreign Policy magazine, and the Palestinians could still have a contiguous state in almost the entire West Bank.

"It's time we started putting facts on the ground that disentangle this spaghetti and counter the facts on the ground designed to entangle and prevent any solution," argues Mr. Makovsky.

If the wall were along the lines of the Clinton plan, it would signal Palestinians that a deal is there for the taking — and could be further adjusted in peace talks — while providing Israelis security and signaling the settlers beyond the wall that they have no future.

If the wall heads way off the Green Line, deep into the West Bank, as Mr. Sharon hinted it might, we are headed for a disaster.

Good fences make good neighbors, but only if your fence runs along a logical, fair, consensual boundary — not through the middle of your neighbor's backyard. If this wall is used to unilaterally bite off chunks of the West Bank to absorb far-flung Israeli settlements, then "it will just become a new and longer Wailing Wall," said the Israeli political theorist Yaron Ezrahi. "But unlike the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, this wall will have people wailing on both sides. Jews will be mourning the collapse of their dream of a Jewish democratic state, and Palestinians will be mourning their own lost opportunity to translate all their sacrifices into a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel."


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: goodfence; israel; jerusalem; palestinians; securitybarrier; securityfence; separation; wall

1 posted on 09/08/2003 6:10:28 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Palestinians will be mourning their own lost opportunity to translate all their sacrifices into a viable Palestinian state alongside instead of Israel."

Friedman is hallucinating again. The Palestinians never wanted a state "alongside" Israel.

2 posted on 09/08/2003 6:15:13 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
3 posted on 09/08/2003 6:21:52 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Alouette
There is another logical unilateral solution: a double wall creating an enclosed pocket with territory that Israel signals it would be willing to surrender -- eventually, some day -- in exchange for real peace. Or the pocket moves to nominal Palestinian "sovereignty" with some other practical arrangement regarding continued security for all who live there. The gates still are manned to keep weapons out, etc. But that's a long way off. A price must be paid for Arafat's refusal in 2000 and the subsequent terror war.
4 posted on 09/08/2003 6:23:21 AM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: Alouette
"Friedman is hallucinating again..."

It is much worse than that, apparently he beleives that Israel has to give up part (may be whole) of its 1967 land in order to make Palestinian State viable.

5 posted on 09/08/2003 7:06:43 AM PDT by alex
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To: alex
He's still tripping from his audience with the royal majesty, King of Saudi in which he, Friedman, was "chosen" to deliver the "Saudi Peace Plan" to the rest of the universe.
6 posted on 09/08/2003 7:09:53 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: SJackson
If this wall is used to unilaterally bite off chunks of the West Bank to absorb far-flung Israeli settlements, then "it will just become a new and longer Wailing Wall," said the Israeli political theorist Yaron Ezrahi. "But unlike the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, this wall will have people wailing on both sides. Jews will be mourning the collapse of their dream of a Jewish democratic state, and Palestinians will be mourning their own lost opportunity to translate all their sacrifices into a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel."

Another false prophet.

I don't know how these prognosticators can predict the response, like the people so say "all Israel has to do to get peace is withdraw to the green line"... how do they know what will satisfy these crazy Palestinian factions? Did Israel have peace when they were at the green line?

Obviously, this guy's prediction just toes his ideology. The reality is, nobody knows what the future will bring.

7 posted on 09/08/2003 7:36:30 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SJackson
Tom Friedman is still wedded to Oslo. There is no evidence that Jewish niceness, concessions, and restraint make the Arabs more peaceable and democratic. On the contrary, it seems to make them more blood thirsty and nazi. Israel should give the Palestinians as little land as they're entitled to and shut them in behind a wall on four sides. A people who try to shoot up innocent Jewish women and babies are the last people on Earth entitled to have a territorially continguous state. Friedman seems to forget in his enthusiasm for the Clinton Plan, that the Palestinians not only never made a counter-offer, they proceeded to launch an on-going war against Israel, to which three years later, there is no end in sight. The last thing Israel should do is demonstrate to the Palestinians that terror pays. Methinks Israel should do exactly the reverse of everything that Friedman has recommended and she'll be more secure.
8 posted on 09/08/2003 7:47:36 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson
God talking to the Israelites: "and the eastern border shall be the jordan." Listen, it might solve some probs.
9 posted on 09/08/2003 8:47:08 AM PDT by bluelowrider57 (More of da thugz crawlin)
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To: Starrgaizr
A price must be paid for Arafat's refusal in 2000 and the subsequent terror war.

ABSOLUTELY.

What happened to "Never Again ?"

10 posted on 09/08/2003 9:16:44 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: SJackson
is a fence that would be built roughly along the outline President Clinton offered Palestinians and Israelis — which called upon Israel to turn over 95 percent of the West Bank and East Jerusalem in return for peace with the Palestinians.

Will someone explain to me why Israel should share it's capital with people who want to destroy the Jewish state? At the very least, the wall must place all of Jerusalem inside Israel.

Interesting that Mr. Freidman chose to quote Ha'aretz. It is clear he aligns himself with the Israeli left. Look, I was with the Israeli left too, until October, 2000 made it clear that the Palestinians had no interest in Oslo succeeding or any sort of peace.

11 posted on 09/08/2003 9:58:33 AM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: anotherview
Will someone explain to me why Israel should share it's capital with people who want to destroy the Jewish state?

Because Jordan and Egypt won't have anything to do with them? :>)

Interesting that Mr. Freidman chose to quote Ha'aretz. It is clear he aligns himself with the Israeli left.

He's a fixture of the American left, fancies himself as one of the authors of the Saudi plan, aka the Road Map.

12 posted on 09/08/2003 10:08:42 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: anotherview
Will someone explain to me why Israel should share it's capital with people who want to destroy the Jewish state? At the very least, the wall must place all of Jerusalem inside Israel.

My feelings exactly. Jerusalem can't be divided, it doesn't make sense - it doesn't provide the security the Israelis need if they have to share the city with the Palestinians. No, the fence has to include Jerusalem.

13 posted on 09/08/2003 10:35:04 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA
I agree. It is a delusion to think that any specific fence line will appease the blood thirsty. Might as well be fair and build it to include Jerusalem.
14 posted on 09/08/2003 10:55:19 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SJackson
Israel earned the right to put the wall wherever they damn well please. The wall can be removed later, lives cannot be replaced.
15 posted on 09/08/2003 11:31:04 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: bluelowrider57
There surely must come an end to the illegal occupation, (by the Arabs on the soil of Israel) and the removal of all settlements and habitations (of islamic demon worshipers) from all lands West of the Jordan. History is plain and easy to understand, and well recorded in the Bible. Reliance on political alliances lead to downfall. Refusal to repent and rely on the Creators protection and forsake idols and false Gods was cronicled by the prophets. The path os success is well defined, but Jewish leaders and people still refuse to obey and instead look to The US and Eurotrash who hate them and desire to see their destruction.

Repentance and reliance on G-d saved Nineva. It is not too late to raise up another Gideon with his 300 strong army to deliver Israel. All that is needed is the will and proper mind and faith.

Bushes roadmap is a freeway to destruction and Powell is a blind engineer demanding more speed from a train rushing toward a cliff.
16 posted on 09/08/2003 1:32:19 PM PDT by lobo59
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