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To: Lord_Baltar
"And this sort of Left Wing Name Calling tactic does what for the level of discussion?"

Can't speak for the original poster, but one thing it does is confront and defy the Left Wing tactic of language control as a device for manipulating discourse. It also summarizes feelings and beliefs for which the poster did, in fact, provide a rational defense. It is not like yelling "McCarthyite" or "racist" every time someone makes a point that you cannot address in terms of substance.

"Why exactly is it OK for us to have, develop, manufactuer, and test Nukes, and it's not OK for other Nations to do so?"

Did someone say that "other nations" should not have nuclear weapons? How did you derive this generalization from anything that has been said here? Truth is, it's a strawman because it misrepresents the opposing viewpoint.

I'm not sure how knowledgeable you are about history, but there is some precedent for this seemingly unfair and arrogant standard of ours. During the early 1940s, as you may remember, the United States developed an atomic bomb. This effort was successful, as every lefty knows even if he or she does not otherwise know what century these events occurred in, or whether Attilla the Hun was a Republican.

At the same time, National Socialist Germany, a sovereign nation whose scientists actually invented nuclear fission, also sought to develop a nuclear bomb. The United States and its allies, Great Britain and Norway, went to some length to sabotage and disrupt this program, including (oh, the horror) a mass bombing raid that killed a number of innocent civilians. Did we have the right to do this? Are you willing to take responsibility if an Iranian nuclear weapon goes off in New York or Chicago?

"But you still didn't explain this in such a way that didn't include editorializing.

Why should the poster not editorialize? Is this forbidden? By whom?

"So, what you're saying is that we are essentially the world's policemen, and that the rest of the world has to answer to us, or face a pre-emptive strike against them if they don't bow to our demands?"

He didn't say that....and this kind of demonizing authoritarian strawman contributes what to the discussion?

129 posted on 09/06/2003 8:37:53 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy ( Anti-war movement: road-kill on the highway to freedom.)
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To: atomic conspiracy; Lord_Baltar
"So, what you're saying is that we are essentially the world's policemen, and that the rest of the world has to answer to us, or face a pre-emptive strike against them if they don't bow to our demands?"

We arent? could have fooled me? and if the US weren't, then who? and the world would be safer in your opinon my lord, if say, another country were to step into being #1. when in world history was there not a time when one or two or three countries didnt run everything? the world is safer with american policmen, period.. PARAPHRASING... Ronald Reagan (i cant imagine a world where america was not number 1)...
132 posted on 09/06/2003 8:44:29 PM PDT by APRPEH (to empire and beyond)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Your #129: a cogent post.
141 posted on 09/06/2003 8:58:51 PM PDT by T Ruth
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