[doodad]

I can only wonder what a virgin forest or ancient forest would have looked like

Go to Joyce Kilmer memorial grove in NC. The trees were so big and old the loggers refused to cut them in the 20s and 30s. Awesome glimpse of what the forest looked like years ago.

[RightWhale]

Joyce Kilmer's house in NJ where he wrote his famous poem is right down the street from my childhood home. I recall a tree, maybe one, outside the window. A small tree, probably not an oak.