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To: Cvengr
Common grace leading to efficacious grace in 1 Cor 1:18, 2:14; Jn 6:44; Rom 8:7; 2 Cor 4:3-4.

This is anything BUT common it please...    

1Cr 1:18   For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

This clearly says that all men do not have the grace necessary to understand the Gospel

Jhn 6:44   No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Another fine Calvinist proof text. This clearly says that all men do not have the grace to come , only those that the Father gives it to.

    2Cr 4:3   But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:   
  2Cr 4:4   In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

One more that proves that there is no common grace that allows dead-men to save themselves

Consider the words. The gospel is hid from some men , all men can not see it because their minds are blinded. Common grace will not allow this blind man to see.

Calvinists also love romans

Rom 8:7   Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Read this..again it clearly indicates that common grace does not bring the dead to life .

Rom 8:9   But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

Note that common grace does not benefit all men , for some remain in the flesh . The Spirit does not indwell until after the man is saved.

"God, for reasons known only to himself, (cf. Matt. 11:25–26) gives an inward, effectual call, in addition to the outward invitation, to the elect in Christ. This inward call is accompanied with the very power of God (cf. Eph. 1:19–20), and with it comes a new birth, life, willingness (cf. Psalms 110:3) to look unto Christ, and a desire to love and obey him. This results in a new nature, one that is now in willing subservience to Christ, a nature that is no longer in bondage to the prince of this world. With the new nature comes the ability to receive the truth of the gospel. Thus the "born of the Spirit" (cf. John 3:7–8) sinner freely and willingly turns to Christ as Lord and Savior. The Spirit of God gives faith and repentance to this child of God"
Jacob Moseley.

Irresistible Grace

322 posted on 09/03/2003 1:19:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Saved by grace , Calvinist by choice)
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To: RnMomof7
I find the Scriptures presented communicate considerably more. This isn't posted in argument nor in contention, but merely observing I find more significance in their meanings in conjunction with other epistles. My other posting of the references was not to debate, but to answer your request.

I hope Calvinists love the entirety of Scripture as well as any Spirit filled ministry from any believer. I assume they will act accordingly if indeed believers in positive fellowship.
326 posted on 09/03/2003 11:08:29 PM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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