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To: hoosierham
All have the free will to choose to do good or evil...

Isa 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; we all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Rom 7:18-19 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.

Care to amend those words? Or is Scripture lying?

171 posted on 08/31/2003 8:29:10 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
It's not a good thing to quote scripture in the attempt to support a position in opposition of the meaning of scripture.

Those verses you quoted were spoken from a position of someone who was experiencing true humility and unworthiness before God. They do not mean that people should give up trying to serve the will of God, if that's what you're trying to imply.

172 posted on 08/31/2003 8:48:14 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dr Warmoose
NO>

Would you deny that giving food to a starving person is doing good ?

Do you think Jesus was telling us that no one can do good when he told of the Good Samaritan ?

Do you mean to tell us that God made man without the capacity to do good, and then was displeased with His creation when man did not do that which man could not ?

Do you really believe God created man unable to do good so that He would have a reason to sacrifice His Son on the cross ?

I say again, God created man(and woman) with free choice ;and that means each may choose good or evil, may choose to obey or disobey,and will be judged on his own choices.

Would you also care to discuss the problems caused by the Western tradition of stating the commandment "thou shall not kill" when killing in self-and national defense is ordered by God elsewhere ? I think much anguish might have been avoided were the commandment stated as "thou shall not murder", which is consistent with the rest of the Bible.

219 posted on 08/31/2003 10:02:38 PM PDT by hoosierham
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