"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

[Cvengr]

I prefer to remain in fellowship with God through our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. I've found Robert Thieme to be an outstanding pastor-teacher and an incredible number of Bible believing ministers to have come from his Classes over the years.

Have you found some other similarily outstanding pastors, you'd like to share?

[RochesterFan]

The site CV posted has the following in their publication policy

No publication can ever replace the function of a Pastor-Teacher and face-to-face teaching in a local church. If there is a doctrinal church in your area, you should attend that church. Anyone living in an area without a doctrinal church has two options.

Set up a local church in your area.

Move to an area where there is a doctrinal church.

That certainly doesn't sound like someone trying to brainwash the saints.

[Cvengr]

I don't care to much for Calvin's black undies.

[nobdysfool]

You know what the right thing to do is. Will you do it?

[drstevej]

***Have you found some other similarily outstanding pastors, you'd like to share?***

S. Lewis Johnson comes to mind.

[Cvengr]

Thanks, I look forward to studying some in fellowship with God and hope his guidance is fruitful. Does he publish or have an Internet ministry or is his ministry directed elsewhere?

[narses]

Ping.

[nobdysfool]

***Then perhaps you aren't saved yet.***

395 posted on 08/17/2003 11:11 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))

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***Now study it after returning to righteous relationship with Him and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide you where one's soul may have been previously scarred.***

401 posted on 08/17/2003 11:59 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))

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***then perhaps you are not in fellowship with Him. Man is originally born with only soul and body, so those unsaved will not understand these things.***

402 posted on 08/18/2003 12:02 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))

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***No, I'm not arrogant, I am deeply offended. To a level you have no way of understanding. You were challenging my salvation, and you haven't got the decency to admit it.***

540 posted on 08/19/2003 3:36 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)

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***Tough***

542 posted on 08/19/2003 3:42 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))

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***The Great Commission mandated such communication. If you are insulted. Tough.***

777 posted on 08/21/2003 3:11 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))

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Sound familiar? What do you have to say?

[drstevej]

Dr. S. Lewis Johnson was born in Birmingham, Alabama and grew up in Charleston, S.C., graduating from College of Charleston with an A. B. degree in 1937. He was converted in Birmingham, while in the insurance business, through the teaching of Dr. Donald Grey Barnhouse. He left the insurance business in 1943 to enter Dallas Theological Seminary, from which he graduated in 1946, Th.M. degree and in 1949, Th. D. degree. Dr. Johnson was Professor of New Testament from 1950 to 1972 and Professor of Systematic Theology from 1972 to 1977 at Dallas Theological Seminary. He served as Professor of Biblical and Systematic Theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School at Deerfield, Illinois and is now Visiting Professor of Systematic Theology at Tyndale Theological Seminary, Amsterdam, Netherlands. He has done graduate work at the University of Edinburgh, Scotland, SMU, Dallas and in the University of Basel, Switzerland. Dr. Johnson has now been engaged in pastoral ministry for about forty five years.

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He has published a number of academic articles. His sermon tapes and manuscripts have been distributed widely through Believer's Chapel.

Here is a sampler that is available on line...

http://www.believers-chapel.org/tapes/bibledoctrine/index.htm

[Cvengr]

Post 777 is accurate, concise, and succinct.

The rest of it is between you and God. Any hurt you sense or imply as an offense indicates Post 777 is true. Any lack of hurt indicates the argument is contrived.

Any encouragement or apology by any other person, including myself to the contrary merely would condone judging you and interfere between your relationship with Him.

Where love has been offered you otherwise, it has been rejected.

Here is a basic which every Christian should intuitively understand and not argue over but rejoice regardless. I provide it not to insult, nor to make myself higher, but as the only guidance I know as infallible if I am to act at all.

http://www.berachah.org/images/Wrongdoing.jpg

God Bless

[Cvengr]

Great bio. I look forward to studying some of his work.

Funny how when I quoted some DGBarnhouse doctrine on evil elsewhere, I was attacked for it not being true or Scriptural. Not to worry though, I find Him to be an outstanding minister and pastor and study by his guidance while in feloowship with Him.

[drstevej]

The basic doctrine series is outstanding. The first few are a bit academic.

The current pastor-teacher at Believer's Chapel, Dan Duncan, was a seminary classmate and is a friend. He is an excellent teacher.

BTW, I like Barnhouse and his successor at Tenth Presbyterian in Philly, James Boice.

[Cvengr]

I enjoy Boice's Radio Ministry immensely, at least when I can hear it. I just wish his Bible Study Hour lasted more than 5 minutes to 30 minutes.

[Cvengr]

BTW, FWIW Boice's voice sounds just like Thieme's, interesting parallel.

[drstevej]

Boice's commentaries are worthwhile.

[nobdysfool]

It is truly sad that you are unable to see that questioning someone's salvation because he has the courage of his convictions to stand up to what he perceives as error, is itself an error, and an insult to fellow believer in Christ. For some reason, you seem to equate an apology with capitulation and admitting that your entire system of theology is equally in error. The apology is for one thing and one thing only: Questioning the salvation of someone for whom Christ has died and bought with His own Blood, based on that person's opposition to you in several points of doctrine. Conformity of theology is not an indicator of any person's standing with God, except in the areas of heresy against the Atonement, the Person of Jesus Christ, or the Godhead. You seem to think otherwise. If you thought I didn't understand what you were saying, then it was your responsibility to clear that up with clear language, not to turn around and question my standing before God, and doing so publicly. If you had approached me privately, we could have solved it privately. You took it public, made public statements injurious and libelous to me, and now you adopt the attitude that you were "only doing your Christian duty". Poppycock!

I think you have made it quite plain that you feel you did me no injury, and it is equally plain to others here that you, in fact, did. If you will not apologize, your sin is on your own head. Posting charts and acting superior does not shine a flattering light on you, and it is clear that you are very concerned with how you are perceived by others. Unfortunately you do not accord to others what you hold so dear for yourself.

[Coleus]

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[fortheDeclaration]

Gee, a son taking over a fathers ministry, how 'cultish' can you get!

Sought of like Bob Jones University?

What are they on there, Bob Jones the 5th ?

What is this thing you have about Thieme?

He believes what you do about the Bible, that we do not have one.

Just various 'opinions'.

[drstevej]

***He believes what you do about the Bible, that we do not have one. ****

Hope you shared that with PAstor Thiene while you attended his church.

***Sought of like Bob Jones University? What are they on there, Bob Jones the 5th ?***

I don't think you are supposed to use Bob Jones and 5th in the same sentence. Repent.

[Cvengr]

I believe his son is a Marine or Naval Aviator, probably field grade by now and retired. I believe he also has theological training. If I understand correctly, a search was performed for others initially and not fulfilled. In addition, I understand there was no lack of skepticism in allowing his son to even speak there, let alone becoming more involved. The quote of the tape ministry I suspect provides some testimony to this.

I suspect the deacons, elders, and body of that congregation is just as critical if not moreso of having any sibling associated with the ministry than any outside critic. If he is able to oversome that hurdle, remain in fellowship with God and continue to advance in God's plan, I remain open minded enough to consider he's not only the right man for the job, qualified and best linked to the ministry, but perhaps foreordained by a higher power to have been placed in that situation.

Disciplined doesn't imply lack of justification.