"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

[Servant of the Nine]

God gave us free will

Now you think you know better than him and want to take it away to make things nicve like God wants.

You are a lunatic.

So9

[CARepubGal]

I forgot that too. It is more than a coincidence though.

[Wilhelm Tell]

"She argued that having multiple sexual partners can be 'holy.'Ó

And monkeys can fly out of my butt.

There will probably soon be a new "church" just for that sort of thing.

[Clintonfatigued]

A ludicrous fringe group.

[Clintonfatigued]

LOL--Great posting! I couldn't have put it better, myself.

[wai-ming]

It was just a matter of time.

Agreed. But it didn't start with homosexuality. It started when we loosened our morals and accepted lust, fornication, cohabitation, pornogratphy, adultery, etc.

All of the above are in direct contrast to what the Bible teaches. The best way to eliminate homosexuality from society is to stick with the ban on ALL immoral behaviours. When you allow one, you open the door to the rest. When will it all (or the society that condones it) end? It's only a matter of time.

[Wilhelm Tell]

They'll have to start a new religion. Christianity is already 100% anti-homosexuality and will never change.

I think we are witnessing the start of the Anti-Christ's "church." Soon this will be the official religion.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"I think we are witnessing the start of the Anti-Christ's "church." Soon this will be the official religion."

Liberals intend to create the greatest religion- in their own image, of course. The state will replace God when they can pull off the final deception.

[First Amendment]

“I disagree with the queer movement [when it claims] that sexual orientation is predetermined,” Kolodny said, asserting that the existence of bisexuality “challenges all that.”

“I know a lot of women who chose to become lesbian,” Kolodny said.

“I’m not sure we can make the case for genetic predetermination,” Kolodny stressed...

Kolodny lamented that the “queer” movement insists on the “party line” of genetic predetermination as part of a “political strategy.”

“The queer movement relies on, ‘We can’t help it. We’re born this way,’ Kolodny said. “It feels so safe. If you don’t say it you’re thrown to the lions and you’re evil.”

She charged that denying free choice in sex preference was “perpetuating the hetero-patriarchy,” helping the “radical right,” ignoring bisexuality, and making it easier for “hate” to continue.

I felt that these statements bore repeating. They are very revealing. More and more homo-activists are admitting that homosexuality (or in this case, anything goes) is a choice.

I wish that Christians who adhere to Biblical principles would be more vocal about the kind of sick degeneracy and subversion described in the above article. Maybe giving up allegiance to "their" sect when it abandons God's teachings, and going to a church that hasn't gone over to the dark side.

[First Amendment]

So perhaps we should have taken consenting adults who commit adultery or homosexuality in the privacy of their homes and thrown them all in jail, and we would have prevented this sort of sexual permissiveness?

Santorum looks like an idiot.

If you had done any reading on Santorum's statement and what he subsequently said (I can' believe you haven't) you would know that he - and others who agree with him - do not want police banging on doors to see what people are doing in the privacy of their houses. The whole intent and purpose of anti-sodomy laws are to keep deviant sexual behavior PRIVATE - where it belongs. To keep deviant sexual behavior from becoming public and mainstream, thereby destroying the moral fabric and foundation of civilization.

Santorum got it right.

[First Amendment]

Something very bad happened to the world in 1968, where it will lead to I have no idea, but it sure seems like Apocolypse soon is likely.

Please explain the date reference??

[Kuksool]

The Supreme Court did not invalidate all sodomy laws. The Texas Sodomy decision effected only laws concerning private sex acts. Several states such as NC and VA are still enforcing their sodomy laws. Local officials in those states argue that their laws concern public acts, not private, and apply to straights as well as gays. Of course, the ACLU and other gay rights groups are not pleased. Looks like the Supreme Court shall be handling another sodomy case in the near future.

[Dr Warmoose]

That's not a fair argument, brother... guilt by association. So can we assume that those who hold that homosexuality is determined are reflecting the antinomianism thrusted upon us by Calvinism that makes men deny their responsibility before God?

Call it what you like, but it is better than outright lying about Calvinist beliefs. Can you name any true public Calvinist who is antinomian? Just one. Can you name even one confession that teaches both the Doctrines of Grace and antinomianism? Being that you can't, either you don't understand that which you criticize, or you are engaging in a deliberate slander.

Furthermore, can you name any confession or published ST by a five point "Calvinist" who teaches a rejection of personal responsibility? In my experience, it is the "Free Will" Theorist who teaches either legalism or the true "The Law Was Nailed To The Cross" antinomianism.

Noodle this out a bit, if what the student of reformed theology is true, then the same God who brings about faith and belief (via election/regeneration) will also bring about sanctification to perfection. (Romans 8:30; Eph 1:4-5). Compare this to Free Will Theory (FWT) that places the burden of salvation on one who hates God (Roman 1:20), is a mortal enemy of God, rebels against all that God says can never please God (Romans 8:6-8), slaves to Hell and sin(Romans 6:19-20; Eph 2:1-3), can't understand the Gospel, consider it foolishness (1 Cor 2:14), and are blinded to the Gospel command to repent (2 Cor 4:4), and would prefer for rocks to fall and crush them than to bow the knee (Rev 6:16). Somehow everyone who comes to Christ must first make God a liar. Then this person grades his own test and gives himself an 'A'. This is accomplished because the FWT says "I believe in Jesus". Well what constitutes belief? What if the Jesus that the FWT claims to believe in has nothing in common with the Jesus found in Scripture? Quite possible, actually inevitable.
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"
Yet the FWT claims to believe the same God that said that the unregenerate has no hope in believing on his own. For the FWT, to believe in Jesus means that you can't believe the Bible. That is an inescapable paradox.

Now returning to the article. I bet that it would be impossible to find a true five point Calvinist who teaches that the saved can engage in the hedonism and vile perversity that regularly is tolerated and accepted in the FWT community. The passages referenced above are prooftexts that indicate that many of those who claim to "believe in Jesus because of their own Free Will" will also use that same free will to believe anything else that they want to believe.

[N3WBI3]

The plan is to get enough sects to accept it so that the can call the others extreeme..

[xzins]

Mugs, I think the vast majority of libertarian Christians are doing their best to make sense out of a world where moral consensus has gone out the window.

I did read your post. YOU try not to be irresponsible. At the same time, the consequences of the behavior of others endangers us all, and especially our little one.

There is a time and a place for considering and controlling those consequences.

My point: A libertarian cannot just say, "do what you like" and then walk away. Many act that way. Consequences to their own loved ones, however, will eventually bring them back to some form of social controls.

[xzins]

Ping to #153.

You all need to meet each other.

[xzins]

Ping to #153.

You all need to meet each other.

[goldstategop]

Liberal Christians? The ultimate oxymoron.

[xzins]

Now that you mention it.... :>)

[CDHart]

This really should have had a "barf alert" on it.

Carolyn