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McClintock shut out of voter's guide: Republican candidate loses last-minute Supreme Court appeal
Worldnetdaily ^ | August 30, 2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 08/30/2003 3:28:58 AM PDT by carbon14

By Art Moore © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

California Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom McClintock, who trails only Arnold Schwarzenegger and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante in opinion polls, is barred from publishing a position statement in the voter's guide for the Oct. 7 recall election because he did not fill out the required form according to guidelines.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: algore; firstammendment; goodforamerica; mcclintock; waaaaaaahhhhhh
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To: BushCountry
Still like Arnold -- orgies, hashish, RINOism and everything, huh???
61 posted on 08/30/2003 7:16:33 AM PDT by sruleoflaw
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To: Dave S
Come now, Dave. McClintok's supporters are Republicans. That, "D'uh... I'm too stupid for figure out this ballot..." crappola is only something dumb-o-crats have to worry about.
62 posted on 08/30/2003 7:18:46 AM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: Dave S
Since when is calling anyone, much less a Republican, a nazi a joke?

So you disagree then when people call Hillary "Hitlery", or the feminists "feminazis"? That's what they are since Nazism and socialism are the same thing.

And looking at Arnold's positions on the issues, I don't see much of a difference between him and Bustamante the socialist, do you?

63 posted on 08/30/2003 7:20:36 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ronin
Come now, Dave. McClintok's supporters are Republicans. That, "D'uh... I'm too stupid for figure out this ballot..." crappola is only something dumb-o-crats have to worry about.

But Hillary's Lovely Legs in #57 claims that McClintock is going to have a big cross over vote. Which is it, McClintock is going to take the Republicans or is he going to have broader appeal?

64 posted on 08/30/2003 7:22:04 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Yup - a huge crossover, I can see it now - all those moderates and democrats making a confidence vote in the superb governmental skills and abilities of Tom McClintock.
65 posted on 08/30/2003 7:24:11 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Give death the finger. Try new things, live, enjoy simple pleasures.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
looking at Arnold's positions on the issues, I don't see much of a difference between him and Bustamante the socialist, do you?

Lets see Bustamante wants to increase spending and raise taxes and Arnold wants to do the opposite. Bustamante wants to regulate the hell out of business, Arnold wants to do the opposite. Bustamante wants to give California back to Mexico while Arnold supports Prop 187 and opposes giving illegals California drivers licenses. Only a blind McClintock or Bustamante supporter could miss those major differences.

66 posted on 08/30/2003 7:27:31 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Support for gun control, abortion, gay marriage? You see a difference? And Arnold does believe illegal aliens should be legalized, which means amnesty. No thanks.

McClintock, the principled conservative can beat Bustamante if it's one on one. But first the "I like McClintock but..." crowd have to get behind him.

67 posted on 08/30/2003 7:34:22 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ronin
That, "D'uh... I'm too stupid for figure out this ballot..." crappola is only something dumb-o-crats have to worry about.

No. There will be plenty of opportunity to make mistakes on a ballot with over 130 choices on it, and TMC is going to need every vote he can get. If the voting guide makes it easier to identify your candidate's number and vote, then not appearing in the guide is going to hurt McCLintock.

68 posted on 08/30/2003 7:36:30 AM PDT by mac_truck (pride goeth before the fall)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Support for gun control, abortion, gay marriage? You see a difference? And Arnold does believe illegal aliens should be legalized, which means amnesty. No thanks.

And like Arnold is going to deal with and decide these issues in California. These are issues that will be decided in Washinton, if at all.

McClintock, the principled conservative can beat Bustamante if it's one on one.

That is about as earth shaking as saying he can beat Bustamante if he had a $100 million to spend during the next seven or so weeks. Sounds good but it isnt goign to happen.

Maybe he might have a chance if he was the only candidate on the ballot sort of like Saddam or the old Soviet leadership. McClintock has never won a statewide race.

70 posted on 08/30/2003 7:44:26 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Brandon; jfritsch; ElkGroveDan; Reagan Man; Golden Gate
I agree completely. The only way to maximize Bustamante's chances is for the Dems to play divide and conquer. They want people to be able to find both Schwarzenegger and McClintock, and Ueberoth, too, so as to divide up the GOP vote.

You've got it completely wrong. Knowing that California was about to rise up and dethrone their liberal Governor, the only way to maximize the chances of having another liberal in office was to run a well-known, well-financed RINO candidate. That way, if Bustamante doesn't win against the RINO, at least there is still someone only slightly less liberal in office. Liberalism only loses a few yards instead of giving conservatives a touchdown. Arnold "I think Gay Marriage is something between a man and a woman" Schwarzenfaker serves that role perfectly. He's distracted most of the Republicans - even some of the conservative ones - and divided up the GOP vote to ensure a RINO or Democrat victory.

The liberals even have FReepers carrying their water as they spend all day telling everyone that a vote for the conservative is wasted. The liberals learned from the 1966 election in California - too bad the conservatives seem to have forgotten.

71 posted on 08/30/2003 7:51:47 AM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Dave S
McClintock has never won a statewide race.

And neither has Arnold won a statewide race, what does that prove?.

That is about as earth shaking as saying he can beat Bustamante if he had a $100 million to spend during the next seven or so weeks. Sounds good but it isnt goign to happen.

Apparently you're not aware of what Bustamante is: an anti-American who belonged to a terrorist organization called MECha, committed to establishing Aztlan in the Southwest. He runs around the state hurling racist epithets. The majority of independents and social democrats will not hand over power to him and will vote for McClintock provided he's the main opponent.

The proof of this is that Bill Simon, an extremely weak and disorganized candidate still almost pulled off a victory. To say McClintock can't win is untrue and too defeatist for me. It basically tells conservatives: "give it up, you're finished". You may want to throw in the towel but most of us don't, especially when there's no reason too.

72 posted on 08/30/2003 8:03:32 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: carbon14
California election pamphlet rules are rather detailed.

I would be surprised if several candidates did not meet the letter of the specification, at least the first time around.

Amendments are acceptable, at least at the local level, and the same therefore should logically go for the state level.

It sounds as if the McClintock campaign sent the amended statement by fax. If so, one observation is that fax machine delivery is technically unreliable-- the receiving fax may malfunction.

I don't think we know the full circumstances yet. McClintock may have gotten a verbal OK to fax the amended statement in, but the SoS may have reneged on the OK.

Let me state this: last night I saw the Friday evening (PBS affiliate) KQED program on politics, "This Week in Northern California". It "covered" the recall election by covering only Arnold and Bustamante, and only Arnold's platform was described. Why not Bustamante's, as well as McClintock's? I think either the media is herding the public towards Arnold or they've changed their spots and come out with a republican bias (which alternative is more likely?) In this context, the shutout of McClintock statement from the state ballot fits into a rather familiar pattern. McClintock is the neutron bomb of California politics and the best and only defense the liberals have is to find any and every excuse to shut him out and deny him "face time".

I guess we'll see as time goes on how this unfolds...

73 posted on 08/30/2003 8:12:03 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: DB
From the article "The 3rd District Court of Appeals ruled Thursday McClintock had the right to amend his form, but it did not see evidence the document was turned in on time. Due to a mixup, the court did not receive a faxed copy of McClintock's form, which shows he submitted it to the secretary of state's office before the deadline."

That sounds like the fax got to the court fax center on time but some 'Dim Hack sat on it.

On the other hand, with 134 profiles on the guide no one is going to read beyond the first 2 or 3...

74 posted on 08/30/2003 8:12:09 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: SteveH
It "covered" the recall election by covering only Arnold and Bustamante, and only Arnold's platform was described. Why not Bustamante's, as well as McClintock's?

It could well be because they have already covered Bustamante's and McClintock's platforms. News is just that, its news. If McClintock hasnt said or done something new, why would they report it. The news media is not a propaganda forum for politicians. You actually have to generate NEWS to get news coverage. As the EXPERIENCED and COMPETENT politician, McClintock ought to know that.

75 posted on 08/30/2003 8:24:26 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: carbon14
Here's the distillation of this issue from the article:


The senator's setback began when he filed a form required to enter the race and checked a box indicating he would not abide by a voluntary fundraising cap of $6 million, established by voters through Proposition 34 three years ago.

He did not realize that by checking "I do not accept the voluntary expenditure ceiling" the proposition's rules barred him from filing a candidate statement in the voter's guide. The apparent rationale, says Ackerman, is that candidates who are able to raise larger amounts can afford other media to communicate with voters.

Article 6 of the proposition says: "The Secretary of State and local election officers shall designate in the ballot pamphlet those candidates for elective state office who have voluntarily agreed to expenditure limitations … ."


Apparently, lawmakers think that ignorance of the law is a valid excuse.

76 posted on 08/30/2003 8:27:09 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: AppyPappy
First: I don't think a Schwartanazi supporter should invoke stupidity on anyone

And then: I wasn't referring to his father. It was a joke based on his views on gun control and just about everything else.

Nazi's believed in private ownership of guns? Nazi's believed in capping government spending? Nazi's believed in encouraging home ownership? Nazi's would have openly supported George W. Bush for President in a hostile environment? Nazi's would have praised Howard Jarvis as the original tax terminator? Nazi's would have been big fans of Milton Friedman? Nazi's would have publicly rebuked Warren Buffett for his opposition to Prop 13?

I didn't know any of that.

Of course, I still don't.

Second: you're saying, then, that all his supporters are Nazi-enablers, and stupid?

Am I a stupid Nazi-enabler, because I will probably vote for Schwarzenegger? I'm a fan of yours, too, usually. What does that make me?

Dan

77 posted on 08/30/2003 8:33:14 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Kevin Curry
And Schwarzenegger is a moron. A lecherous, big-government moron.

But Arnold can win, and Tom cannot. Period.

78 posted on 08/30/2003 8:36:11 AM PDT by Hue68
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To: carbon14
McClintock's lawyer, Richard Ackerman, believes Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, a Democrat who opposes the recall of Gov. Gray Davis, is taking advantage of the opportunity to put a wrench in the senator's campaign.

I think you need to read the article you posted.

THis has nothing to do with the liberal Algore, or even the liberal RINO Arnold Schwarzenegger. This has to do with a First Amendment Right found in the US Bill of Rights.

From what it says, it appears that the Democratic Party Secretary of State is skirting the issue and not giving proper accommadations to Tom McClintock's First Amendment Rights, guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The oversight or monor mistake that McClintock's camp made was immediately corrected, but the Democrats controlling California are still unwilling to handle this in a fair and honest manner.

FreeRepublic supports everyone's First Amendment Rights and so should you.

79 posted on 08/30/2003 9:40:57 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: BibChr; AppyPappy
>>> ... Schwartanazi ...

You're right. This is inappropriate rhetoric. There's no reason to get down in the gutter with that type of trashtalk. Having been called a "nazidog" the other day by a Schwarzenegger supporter, was just as wrong. Period.

80 posted on 08/30/2003 9:49:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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