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To: Steve_Seattle
Christmas is celebrated on December 25, a date not mentioned in the New Testament. Jesus was probably actually born in the Spring. December 25 is the date the Persian and Roman god Mithras was born. It's also around the date of pagan solstice holidays. The Roman Mithras sabbath was Sunday, not Saturday as Jews practice it.

By 300 AD Mithraism and Christianity were both popular - Mithraism had at least a 900 year lead at that point - but Mithraism lost, and most of it's rituals were absorbed by Christianity, in order to make Christianity more palatable to pagans. Christmas rituals are warmed-over pagan rituals. Yule log is a druid ritual. Decorating trees, a druid ritual. Easter egg - pagan ritual. Bunny, pagan fertility symbol.


Jesus? Nope. Dionysus!

The resurrection myth goes back to the Sumerian creation epic, Enuma Elish. Osiris followers found salvation in death and his rebirth. 1,400 years earlier.

Krishna was born from a Virgin.

Frigga was impregnated by Odin and bore Balder, a healer who was to save mankind.

Baptism in water was already a common pagan ritual.

Mithras followers found salvation in the blood of a Bull.

Look, I know you can go and find some kind of churchy website that proposes to refute that Christianity and Mithraism or other pagan rites have anything in common, but you can also find web pages that say that Muhammad is really the last prophet, and other web pages that say they were both space aliens, if you look hard enough. There is quite a bit of scholarly research on this topic published outside the realm of "biblical archaeology," a phony science which starts with an unquestionable assumption based purely on faith and then selectively picks facts to support it.

My point here isn't to upset you. I'm not "anti-Christian" as I appreciate some (not all!) of the roles Christianity has played through the last two millenia. I don't care if you believe that either Jesus or Kermit the Frog is your messiah. It's your belief to have. My point is that Christianity is technically Judaized paganism which predates Christianity. It's rituals and stories are far from unique. Asserting that Christianity as practiced today has Judaic roots is only telling part of the story, asserting that it has PURELY Judaic roots is a flat out lie.
144 posted on 08/27/2003 10:32:02 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: adam_az
Good show! Also, it should be noted that the idea of Christmas (celebrated on the 25th of December) was put forth in Alexandria, Egypt. Anyone one wanna take a guess what actually was celebrated on the 25th of December in Egypt?

On a more symbolic note, the 25th is around the winter solstice. The birth of Christ then symbolizes the light that is brought into the world (after the longest night of the year).

165 posted on 08/27/2003 11:54:43 PM PDT by USMMA_83
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To: adam_az
Look, I know you can go and find some kind of churchy website that proposes to refute that Christianity and Mithraism or other pagan rites have anything in common, but you can also find web pages that say that Muhammad is really the last prophet, and other web pages that say they were both space aliens, if you look hard enough.

Nice attempt to poison the well.

The fact is, you can torture any religion for similarities to Christianity. It doesn't prove anything.

The resurrection myth goes back to the Sumerian creation epic, Enuma Elish.

What "resurrection myth"? Someone rose from the dead? People rose from the dead in the Old Testament too. Oh, and please provide a source.

Osiris followers found salvation in death and his rebirth. 1,400 years earlier.

They lived on in the spirit world by funerary rites as Osiris had after being murdered by Set. Other than dealing with vaguely similar subjects, what does this have to do with Christianity?

Krishna was born from a Virgin.

Source, please.

Frigga was impregnated by Odin and bore Balder, a healer who was to save mankind.

And who was Frigga? A goddess, not a human virgin. And Balder was to heal mankind until what? Until he got killed with a mistletoe dart. "Well... uh... there's wood involved! Just like the Crucifixion!"

Baptism in water was already a common pagan ritual.

1) Source please.

2) Explain why this "common pagan ritual" had more to do with Christian baptism than the baptism practiced by the Jews (the mikva).

Mithras followers found salvation in the blood of a Bull.

And what does this have to do with Christianity?

BTW, the Tauroctony probably has more to do with constellations than salvation.

218 posted on 08/28/2003 9:30:18 AM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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