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Judge Denies Bush's Request To Rehash Terri Schiavo Case
TBO News ^ | August 28, 2003 (actual date) | David Sommer

Posted on 08/27/2003 10:33:14 AM PDT by NYer

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To: MeeknMing
Bump!
161 posted on 08/28/2003 2:31:47 PM PDT by JustPiper ( "Free Republic" - The Greatest Information Truth Highway on the Internet!)
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To: TheOtherOne
Wow. Your trust is in "the process"?

You sure have a lot more faith in "the process" than I do. This entire thing is a total disgrace to a supposedly civilized country.

My trust is in God. Not judges. The judges will someday have to answer to a much Higher Authority. I'm sure there will be quite a lot of surprises in store.

This is nothing short of murder. And NO earthly judge has the right to order the MURDER of someone who has committed no crime.

Let's hear it for Judge Greer. /sarcasm
162 posted on 08/28/2003 5:32:29 PM PDT by MagnoliaMS
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To: MagnoliaMS
My trust is in God. Not judges.

God is not keeping her fed, God let her die years ago. The State is keeping her alive now. I too trust God over the State to decide when people die.

163 posted on 08/28/2003 5:34:13 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
Uh-uh. You are SO wrong. She only has a FEEDING TUBE. And the only reason for that is that her parents are NOT ALLOWED to try feeding her to see if she can survive without it. She did NOT die years ago. She is still ALIVE.

Sheesh. I cannot understand some of you people. The money the "husband" collected was for HER BENEFIT. HER THERAPY. It was NOT for the benefit of him, his live-in, and their child. And yet it was not spent for her therapy, even though doctors and therapists have said she can recover, with help.

I give up. I'm sorry, you are just too dense for me. Flame away. I don't care. We are talking about a woman's life here. How do you know she WANTS to die? Her "husband's" word? This "husband" who wants HER money for himself, his live-in, and child? Give me a break! This "husband" who is in all likelihood the CAUSE of her condition? HE has HER best interests at heart? Yeah, right.


164 posted on 08/28/2003 5:46:59 PM PDT by MagnoliaMS
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To: TheOtherOne
That would be tragic. However, that possibility is not enough to overide the fact that her husband is her guardian under the law

He is NOT her husband, he gave up that role when he started living with another woman. He has been living with another women since at lease 1994. In most states he would be considered this women's common law husband. In most states his live in is actually considered his legal wife and is entitled to insurance and alimony. So I ask you how is that Michael is allowed to be married to two women? He should have lost his ability to be Terri's guardian the day he started a life with another woman. His claim of being Terri's husband is a complete charade. He is only interested in the money. He is complete evil.

165 posted on 08/28/2003 6:28:17 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: MagnoliaMS
How do you know she WANTS to die?

How do YOU? Who are you to claim to know what she wants, or what is in her best interests. I do not presume to know what her intentions are, I do know that I will not second guess her husband and guardian. Honestly, would you want her parents to have the decision if it was her husband who wanted her fed and her parents who wanted the tube pulled? Or are you just in favor of whomever would chose life? Does it matter to you that she may have told her husband she did not want to be kept alive this way? Or are you only interested in what your beliefs tell you she should do? Do you want the state to be involved with your personal medical decisions?

166 posted on 08/28/2003 6:31:43 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: blueriver
He is only interested in the money

You have no idea what is in his heart or his motives, so I don't really care what you think of him.

167 posted on 08/28/2003 6:33:59 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
You have no idea what is in his heart or his motives

I happened to live next to the creep for a few years so I do know what his motives are.

168 posted on 08/28/2003 6:38:13 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: blueriver
I happened to live next to the creep for a few years so I do know what his motives are.

Then I am sure your affidavit was given to the proper people, so your direct knowledge was presented to the Court. Otherwise, you are just yammering about what you claim to know.

169 posted on 08/28/2003 6:53:01 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
Otherwise, you are just yammering about what you claim to know

I know that people like you are blind to the truth. Any one with half a brain can figure out what motivates this man. Just read all the information about what he has done and has not done for Terri. The way he has treated her family. It really makes one wonder how anyone with any logical thinking powers can believe his motives are sincere. At least my analysis of the situation does not result in the murder of an innocent women. I said I lived near him I did not say I knew him personnaly. And it really does not matter what I think or what you think the fact of the matter is that this woman has a family that loves her and wants to see her get treatment. Her husband has only been trying to have her killed. She deserves to have her fmily who loves her be her guardian, not a man who only wants her dead.

170 posted on 08/28/2003 7:13:44 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: blueriver
I said I lived near him I did not say I knew him personnaly.

Like I said, you are just yammering and pretending that you knew his motives because you lived 'next' to him. Would you want her parents to make the decision if it were her husband who wanted her fed, and they who wanted her off the feeding tube?

171 posted on 08/28/2003 7:20:40 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: blueriver
Yes, if you read only one side of an issue, it does seem one sided. There is an equally valid side that says this woman has no quality of life left.

Yes, she sometimes tracks visually. Most times she does not. Yes, her parents can get her to respond, if they cause her what medicine calls "deep pain." Why would they keep someone alive if virtually the ony thing they respond to is deep pain.

If I was ever in as bad shape as this lady, I wish someone would do help me exit this life.

In RVN, lots of severely and non-recoverably wounded, heavilly pained Gis asked their friends to do the same for them.

This is two parents who cannot accept the reality of their daughter's death. It's very sad, but reality, and its acceptance, is always best.
172 posted on 08/28/2003 7:26:21 PM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper station.........)
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To: TheOtherOne
Would you want her parents to make the decision if it were her husband who wanted her fed, and they who wanted her off the feeding tube?

No. No one has the right to remove her feeding tube or refuse to give her the treatment she was supposed to get. The money was given for the purpose of helping her recover. So far not a dime of that money has been spent to help her. Why was she awarded the money in the first place? So that the husband could have a nice life of luxury? How come he did not make it known to the original plaintifs that his intent was to have her killed?

173 posted on 08/28/2003 7:37:54 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: MindBender26
There is an equally valid side that says this woman has no quality of life left.

She is not a dog or a horse to just be put out of her so called "misery". Use to be a law against kiling someone.

Who is to say what medical break through could occur in the next ten years that would give this women back some mobility. As long as she is alive there is hope for a recovery. If she is killed all hope is gone and her life is over. No one has the right to make that decision for her. She was awarded money to be able to get treatment. From what I have read she has not been given any treatment. So who is to say what her quality of life really could be if M. Schiavo was not denying her medical treatment. There is more to this than what meets the eye.

174 posted on 08/28/2003 7:46:36 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: MindBender26
This is two parents who cannot accept the reality of their daughter's death. It's very sad, but reality, and its acceptance, is always best.

I guess according to you these parents should have killed Lorenzo when he became ill. Fortunately they did not. See: http://www.myelin.org/aboutlorenzo.htm

175 posted on 08/28/2003 7:54:48 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: TheOtherOne
I see no end to where the state or third parties could question private medical decisions.

I say you better have those wishes witnessed by a LEGAL witness. Otherwise a husband or a spouse could say they "told them so" and this could be abused like it is in this case. It would be more ethical to error on the side of life, than to error on the side of money. We don't even know how far we can rehabilitate her, because NO ONE has tried!! She could have a full functioning life, if someone would give her a try!! This young precious woman is being thrown away.. and is even going to be allowed to suffer!!

176 posted on 08/29/2003 12:25:08 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: blueriver
You are right. This OH SO principled man, if that is what he truly is, should have NO PROBLEM giving Terri back to her parents to see if they could rehabilitate her.

And therein lies the whole problem with this arguement. He is so afraid of her "coming back" and having total recall that he will NEVER do it. Because she never told him she wanted to die if there was HOPE. ONLY if she was BRAIN DEAD, which she is NOT. That is what is consistent with everything she told all her friends and family. Not this!! Not Brain Damaged.

Won't that be interesting if God Willing it ever happens!!
177 posted on 08/29/2003 12:31:55 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife; blueriver
Ping to an action thread with updated information and links.

Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

178 posted on 08/29/2003 2:07:45 AM PDT by windchime
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To: blueriver
The question is not whether or not to kill her. The question is whether or not to preserve her life by extraordinary means, when by all disinterested medical opinions, there is no hope for a resumption of normal life.

To give you an idea how far some people go to try to preserve biological, but not cognative life, consider the case of some children around the country.

These children were born hydrocephalic. That means that their brain never develpped due to excessive celerbial fluid retention in utero. Not to be overly graphic, but they literally do not have brains, or often, even the craniums to hold a brain. Often their skulls curve down to the vertical about 2 or 3 inches aft of the eye socket line. This can be treated in some children in utero but once they are born, especially to druggie mothers with no prenatal care, there is no hope.

They have no brain, but unfornately, they do have a brain stem. They can breathe. They can have a hartbeat, but that's about it. Again, sorry to be graphic, but what else can you expect from a child with a face but no skull behind it. There physically is no brain, only a brain stem.

Years ago, these children died within 12 hours of birth. Now, in some states, they are kept alive for 20 to 30 years! They are even sent to school under the mainstreaming provisions! (Their heads are kept covered so as to not alarm the other students.) They require 24/365, texpayer-paid-for care. They never do anything but respirate. Luckilly, they feel no pain. That takes a brain.

There is a time to let go of people who do not have any reasonable change of recovery. To go after some judge because he makes a decision you do not agree with is wrong.

There are two sides to this story, and if we just concentrate on the one, we miss the opportunity to learn, and to learn how to be effective when we need to argue a case we have a hope of winning.

179 posted on 08/29/2003 6:46:04 AM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper station.........)
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To: MindBender26
They have no brain, but unfornately, they do have a brain stem.

Terri has a brain, had a life and no one yes not even a judge who thinks he is God has the right to take it away from her.

180 posted on 08/29/2003 5:10:01 PM PDT by blueriver
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