[adam_az]

Police first went to the Madrigal home about 12:30 a.m. because the family called 911 when the son and father argued after the teen came home after having "six or seven" beers at a neighbor's home.

http://www.selfdefence.com/stun_gun_qa.htm#Drugs_or_Alcohol

Are They Effective On A Person Under The Influence Of Drugs Or Alcohol, And Can It Penetrate Clothing? ANSWER: Effects on a person under the influence can vary depending on the person. A Stun Gun can penetrate up to 2 inches of thick clothing.

No one's done a toxicology report yet, so who knows what he was really on. Speculation, but Methamphetamine is VERY popular in AZ especially among kids. No idea what his actual blood alcohol content was. No idea if the stun gun had an effective strike. I could see ONE cop overreacting to a kid on the floor - but ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME? What, did they plan ahead of time to shoot the kid, before they even showed up? Not likely.

What about the neighbor? Which neighbor is letting a 15 year old kid drink a six-pack or more of beer, and why do the parents let the kid go over to the neighbors house? If they had control of their child, he would not have been drunk. If the parents let him go there knowing he would be drinking, then they are criminally neglectful parents.

Remember, the kid was armed with a knife, and was threatening to kill himself. He attacked three armed police officers with a knife who responded first NOT BY SHOOTING THEIR PISTOLS - BUT BY USING THE STUN GUN! If they wanted to kill the kid, they could have just shot him in the first place, since he put their lives in danger. At this point I give a higher likelihood to the officers story being true for these reasons.

I'm appalled to see the "blame the cop" mentality on this thread, before many of the facts are in.

You are acting like children. Turn off the "Rage against the Machine" CD, shut up, sit down, and do your homework.

[newgeezer]

Turn off the "Rage against the Machine" CD, shut up, sit down, and do your homework.

You neglected to mention the bong. ;O)

[ZviTheWise]

"Turn off the "Rage against the Machine" CD, shut up, sit down, do your homework..."

... and bend over and take this nightstick where I tell you to take it.

[Stew Padasso]

There is good reason to examine what LE is up to, and yes, all the facts will shake out.

Apparently, the family reached out to the police to help. Again, we shall see.

There are plenty of examples of corrupt, negligent, arrogant, stupid and useless cops to cite as examples as to why we should have a healthy examiniation of anything LE is up to. You don't like it? Tough!

[Stew Padasso]

I agreed with you. Just because people are heated with LE does not mean you tell folks to shut up and sit down. There is good reason these days to be irritated with LE. So, some people are gonna pop off.

"If they wanted to kill the kid, they could have just shot him in the first place"

Kinda like that kid in Modesto?

"At this point I give a higher likelihood to the officers story being true for these reasons."

What do you have something against the family? You are speculating that they are horrible parents without even knowing them. What is your bias?