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The Key To Immigration Is Assimilation, Not Separatism
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 | SEAN HIGGINS

Posted on 08/26/2003 6:41:24 AM PDT by Isara

Victor Davis Hanson says he didn't actually want to write a book about immigration. But when his editor suggested it, he decided the issue needed to be addressed. It's the 800-pound gorilla nobody's talking about, he says.

Hanson has been a professor of classics at California State University, Fresno, since 1985 and is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

His most recent work is "Mexifornia: A State of Becoming." He discussed it recently with IBD.

IBD: How exactly is immigration changing California?

Hanson: It used to be done in a way that was legal and measured, and allowed the natural process of assimilation to work pretty well.

But since about 1975, the number of the people who are coming has grown. And we, the host country, have given up on assimilation and allowed separatism to occur in our schools. The result is that we are creating an amoral apartheid society.

IBD: This is a result of illegal immigration and not the legal variety?

Hanson: Yeah, it is mostly the illegal immigration. We don't know how many illegal people are in the U.S. It's somewhere between 9 and 20 million. That's the problem.

IBD: Is this a factor in the state's budget crisis?

Hanson: It is a factor. It is not the factor. The main factor is the Legislature's and the governor's mismanagement of hiring almost 50,000 new employees in five years.

But if you look at the statistics of the people who came here illegally in the last five or six years, the studies that I read say they will draw five times more in entitlements than they will contribute in taxes. That's a problem.

IBD: Will this be an issue in the recall election?

Hanson: I think it will, for a variety of reasons.

For one, we have candidates, whether it is Arnold Schwarzenegger or Arianna Huffington, who are immigrants. We have a lieutenant governor who is a Hispanic, and that will contribute to the discussion. We have a budgetary crisis that will cause people to look at how the money is spent.

And we have a governor who is radically changing his position on the issue. For example, he's vetoed driver's licenses for illegal aliens in the past. Now he's promised to sign that bill when it gets on his desk.

IBD: If the mainstream politicians don't talk about it, do you see the conditions right for a demagogue?

Hanson: I do. I'm really afraid of that. Remember, this is a citizenry that voted in the same year to eliminate affirmative action and legalize marijuana. It's a pretty volatile citizenry.

IBD: Has 9-11 changed the atmosphere regarding this issue?

Hanson: I think it has.

IBD: What does the native California Hispanic population think of this issue?

Hanson: I think they're torn. On the one hand, some of our finest citizens are Mexican-American. They came, or their parents came, legally. They're taxpayers. So they have the same concerns as everybody else.

On the other hand, some of them realize a special pride in their heritage. They are very sensitive to people who call for reform because they think it might be directed at them when it is not.

IBD: Is assimilation in fact occurring?

Hanson: It is. I make that clear in my book. There is a powerful engine for that in popular culture, whether it is the Williams sisters or Tiger Woods or Jennifer Lopez. People of all different races are intermarrying. They have the same taste in television and in movies.

But the schools are promoting a multicultural separatist ideology — whether it's bilingual education or separate graduation ceremonies. We are in a race between the powers of assimilation and the powers of separatism.

That is the issue at the heart of it. We just need people to come in from Mexico in a little smaller numbers and through a legal process, so we can assimilate them legally.

IBD: Many free-market economists say the benefits of mass immigration outweigh the costs. What do you think?

Hanson: One thing I've noticed is that each side tries to produce statistics that refute the other. It's hard to adjudicate which body of evidence is correct.

My feeling is that the contribution of unskilled labor to the overall GDP of the U.S. is rather small. But it's very important to localized sectors like restaurants, building and agriculture within the Southwest.

It's a sad commentary on California when you have a 9% unemployment rate in many counties and the employers are saying nobody will work and they have to bring in people from Mexico.

IBD: Given the length of the U.S.-Mexican border and the countries' economic differences, is a restrictive immigration policy even possible?

Hanson: This is a relatively recent phenomenon. Prior to 1970, nobody was talking about militarizing the border. Not in 1940 or 1930 or 1900. That's because there wasn't this alternate world of jurisprudence that protected people, both those who were hired illegally and worked illegally.

IBD: So this is primarily a matter of changing the political process?

Hanson: It has to start with a dialogue. Those on the open borders-corporate-libertarian side have precluded debate by demonizing people as nativist, protectionist or Neanderthal. They work hand in glove with the racial left, which demonizes people as racist. Between the two, they have precluded almost all debate on it.

IBD: Do we need stuff like English-only laws?

Hanson: We've never needed them before. We just need to revert back to what we used to do: encourage them to learn English.

IBD: Is the situation in California different from other states that border Mexico?

Hanson: It is. One is that because California has a much larger population and a much greater economy, it is the entry of choice.

Two, there is a perception among the people from Mexico that the percentage of Californians who are of Mexican background is larger and the political climate is much more liberal and laid back. Therefore there is a much greater chance of things like amnesty or driver's licenses in California than in, say, Texas.

IBD: Suppose illegal immigration were curtailed and growers couldn't get this cheaper labor. Would that have any negative economic consequences?

Hanson: I think in the short term it surely would. We would go back the situation in the '60s and early '70s. Back then, there was a drive for mechanization. The other thing was we had a strong union movement.

Now I could take you to the malls of Fresno and show you 5,000 to 10,000 people on a weekday morning doing nothing when the farm bureau says we are short 6,000 to 7,000 workers for the harvest.

There's a logic there that would work. It just requires a little short-term pain.

IBD: Any final thoughts?

Hanson: I really think this is a moral issue. It is very amoral for Californians to use an entire population and keep it in the shadows to do all of the work they don't want to do and then never talk about it.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assimilation; hispanic; immigrants; immigration; mexifornia; separatism; victordavishanson
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What this article lacks is a resolution to deal with illegal immigrants. How are we going to assimilate them to the society? Maybe, as he said, It has to start with a dialogue.
1 posted on 08/26/2003 6:41:24 AM PDT by Isara
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To: Isara
This part is very interesting.

Is the situation in California different from other states that border Mexico?

Hanson: It is. One is that because California has a much larger population and a much greater economy, it is the entry of choice.

Two, there is a perception among the people from Mexico that the percentage of Californians who are of Mexican background is larger and the political climate is much more liberal and laid back. Therefore there is a much greater chance of things like amnesty or driver's licenses in California than in, say, Texas.

And California is a welfare state.

2 posted on 08/26/2003 6:47:18 AM PDT by Isara
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To: Isara
"And we, the host country, have given up on assimilation and allowed separatism to occur in our schools. The result is that we are creating an amoral apartheid society."

Gee, you mean the liberal, politically correct, touchy feely approach of Spanish taught classes and Spanish language everything hasn't worked??

Versus what happened with prior immigrants - you learned English and how this country worked to succeed. Instead we have developed a permanent uneducated, non-English speaking welfare class.
3 posted on 08/26/2003 6:55:59 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Isara
"Remember, this is a citizenry that voted in the same year to eliminate affirmative action and legalize marijuana. It's a pretty volatile citizenry."

VDH is the greatest, but I don't understand his comment here. Seems to me that both positions are based on individual liberty and personal accountability. It's how I'd vote. Affirmative action gives special privileges to people for their group identity. Medical marijuana laws turn responsibility over to the individual for their own medical treatment. Same thing in my book.

4 posted on 08/26/2003 6:57:08 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Isara
How are we going to assimilate them to the society?

1) Eliminate foreign languages from government service bureaus - and translators too. You want service? Speak English.

2) Provide English classes at government expense, day and night. Provide free transportation to and from class. They should be designed to bring fluency and the ability to read and write in the shortest possible time.

3) Eliminate "anchor babies". Being born in the US of illegal parents should not confer citizenship.

4) Eliminate welfare. Freebies should not be the attraction. Hardworking folks, responsible folks, are those who will assimilate the easiest. Parasites "yearning to eat free" will not.

5) Eliminate bilingual & english as a second language programs immediately. Immersion works, they do not.

6) Wage a propaganda war. "Aztlan" and similar garbage should be denounced as racist and un-American.

5 posted on 08/26/2003 7:05:50 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Jabba the Nutt
What?
6 posted on 08/26/2003 7:05:53 AM PDT by old school
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To: old school
This is so true. You cannot take full part in the opportunities of a society unless you are fully a member of it.
7 posted on 08/26/2003 7:07:39 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: jimt
What should we do with illegal immigrants who are in this country now? Any idea? Get rid of welfare programs for a start?
8 posted on 08/26/2003 7:15:47 AM PDT by Isara
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To: HiJinx
ping
9 posted on 08/26/2003 7:21:10 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Isara
Every article I have seen written by Hanson, or about what Hanson has to say, posted here begins with a tribute and biographical sketch of Hanson. The self-serving approach is beginning to detract from Hanson's writings.
10 posted on 08/26/2003 7:23:53 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Isara
Get rid of welfare programs for a start?

That's number two. First deport those who're here illegally.

The welfare issue is major problem with immigration. I want people who want to work and be independent to come here. I don't want people who tolerate (or engage in) corruption, or those who want to get every possible bennie they can apply for. We're getting way too many of the latter. When I see a woman driving a nearly new Caddy dropping off her three kids for "free breakfast", it makes me very angry.

12 posted on 08/26/2003 7:30:25 AM PDT by jimt
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To: ExGuru
When you suggest elimination of "anchor babies," you are calling for a Constitutional amendment. Fat chance.

From the 14th Amendment, Section 1 (emphasis mine).

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I think it could be easily argued that those who come here illegally have not made themselves "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", and thereby their offspring are no more citizens than they are.

I'd dearly love to see it tried. Anchor babies are anathema.

13 posted on 08/26/2003 7:40:50 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Isara
What is really sad is that conservatives and republicans are screaming to our leaders to fix the illegal alien problem, and we are told to shut up or go away. We've got RINOs that only listen to big business or are afraid of the liberal media to do anything substantiative. I wish we had more Tancredos.
14 posted on 08/26/2003 7:59:19 AM PDT by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: Isara; Imagine
(COPY AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY. Revise and extend as you see fit, start a movement, print a petition, start a political party, confront your legislators, write letters, post posters, drop leaflets, demand, demand, demand…)

18 POINT ACTION PLAN: Border Violators

1) Close all US borders to illegal entry forthwith by any and all means possible, including military presence.

2) Maintain legitimate immigration levels at modest annual level with requirements that immigrants be employable or sufficiently wealthy for self-support if they do not intend to work, proficient in basic English and willing to be assimilated into American culture and language. All applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples.

3) Legal immigration shall be awarded to individuals on a lottery basis, wherein all countries are given equal status in the immigration lottery, without regards to color or economic plight of originating nation.

4) Individuals of Islamic faith (muslims) from any country shall be denied immigration privileges or entry into the US. Christians and Jews from muslim countries fleeing religious persecution shall receive preferential and accelerated immigration privileges.

5) Detain all border violators, taking photos, prints and DNA samples of said violator while at the same time, checking for out standing warrants. If no warrants are outstanding, return border violators to home country within 20 days via commercial airline and submit cost of such action, including processing and housing costs for said violator, to country of origin. If costs are not paid within 30 days, reduce any and all aid to said country by a like amount.

6) Should any country from which a border violator originates not currently receive any aid from the US, the Justice Department shall be authorized to seize or secure liens on assets owned, managed or registered to that country to the full extent of the obligation.

7) Establish new Guest Worker Visa (GWV) category, renewable every six (6) months, for unskilled labor positions wherein all applicants shall provide prints, photos and DNA samples. Work permitted of such applicants shall be limited to one of several categories, including childcare, lawn/gardening, restaurant staff, cleaning, and the like. Families of GWV workers are not permitted to enter US, nor will the birth of a child to one of GWV status confer citizenship to either parent or child.

8) Any violation of civil or criminal laws shall result in the forfeiture of the GWV and immediate return to originating country.

9) GWV holders shall be prohibited from claiming unemployment benefits, welfare support or free medical service.

10) The originating country of all GWV holders shall be responsible for any uninsured loss caused by the GWV, including emergency medical claims and/or claims resulting from illegal actions committed while in the US.

11) Companies who hire GWV holders shall submit to the Immigration Dept the name and GWV number of that individual, along with a description of employment tasks. Companies shall be subject to fines and penalty that fail to report employment of GWV workers, or hire border violators. GWV workers shall be paid with check, having income tax withheld. GWV workers shall not be subject to unemployment tax because they are not eligible to receive unemployment compensation.

12) Border violators, or any non-citizen not possessing a valid visa, detained by local police for any reason shall be turned over to border control officials for immediate deportation action, except if they face criminal charges in other jurisdictions.

13) Border violators and GWV workers shall be prohibited from voting in local, state and federal elections.

14) Border Violators shall NOT be afforded the rights enjoyed by American citizens, as guaranteed under the constitution.

15) Public education (at institutions supported by taxpayer dollars) at any level (pre-school, kindergarten through the university level,) shall NOT be available to Border Violators (or children of Border Violators) and schools that enroll such individuals shall be subject to penalties.

16) Foreign Students (F/S) (individuals admitted to the U.S. for the purpose of attending any educational facility,) private institution or public (i.e. supported by taxpayer dollars,) must have valid student visas, such visas being in force only if the F/S attends school full-time. F/S shall be required to pay tuition, housing and related costs such that all their educational costs are fully reimbursed to the institution attended. The originating country shall pay for any and all loss caused by students while on U.S. soil.

17) Border Violators seeking emergency medical treatment shall provide pictures, fingerprints and DNA samples along with country of origin, and shall be treated then incarcerated until information provided can be verified. Originating country shall bear the costs of medical treatment and confinement.

18) Children born in the U.S. to border violators, illegal aliens or of foreign nationals in the U.S. for any reason (including temporary visitor, school or work visas,) shall not be eligible for citizenship as circumstances of birth, nor shall the parents or parent’s family members (relatives) be conferred U.S. citizenship as a result of such births.
15 posted on 08/26/2003 8:51:30 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, at the Right place...)
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16 posted on 08/26/2003 8:53:15 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, at the Right place...)
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To: jimt
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

They are subject to the jurisdiction of their HOME countries.
17 posted on 08/26/2003 8:59:31 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: HiJinx
The illegals and the ass kissing politicians don't want assimulation, they expect us to come down and change our country into the turd world hellhole they came from.

Rather than come and better themselves and become Americans we're supposed to cater to them. They don't want to learn our language and customs we're supposed to learn theirs.
18 posted on 08/26/2003 9:05:15 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Oregon - Where the Legislature keeps writing checks the taxpayers can't cover.)
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To: SAMWolf
I see what's happening in Alabama and wonder if a sea change isn't occurring.

The people who line up on the right side of the line have gone to court to 'complain' about their freedom of speech being abridged. Since we can't seem to get anywhere in the legislature, maybe it's time we turned the weapon of the people who line up on the left side against them.

Many people feel that the Court is the final arbiter of the law of the land...if that's so, why not use the Court to advance our agenda? The Legislature won't. The Executive won't. The silent have begun to speak where it matters.
19 posted on 08/26/2003 9:11:41 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, at the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: Isara
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
20 posted on 08/26/2003 9:14:21 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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