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Shrinking Danube Unveils WWII Relics
AP ^ | Fri, Aug 22, 2003 | EUGENE BRCIC

Posted on 08/22/2003 4:54:13 PM PDT by Destro

Shrinking Danube Unveils WWII Relics

Fri, Aug 22, 2003

By EUGENE BRCIC, Associated Press Writer

Children play with the remains of a German Kubelwagen, a military vehicle from WWII, pulled out of the Danube river, in the village of Batina, northeastern Croatia, Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003. Record-breaking droughts in Croatia are exposing bits of World War II history as receding Danube River waters reveal evidence of battles between the retreating Germans and the advancing Soviets. (AP Photo/Darko Bandic)

BATINA, Croatia - As the mass of tangled iron emerged from the water, wide-eyed townspeople marveled at the catch, a World War II German military jeep, coughed up by the drought-shrunken Danube River.

Batina fire chief Josip Valkai ran an expert eye over the so-called Kuebelwagen just dragged out by a truck. "The Volkswagen insignia and motor in the rear make it a dead giveaway," he said. "So does the faintly visible Nazi swastika on gasoline cans we found tucked inside."

Until now, the leftovers on this pivotal battlefield have been small — spent cartridges, the occasional skull. But as months of drought have drained the Danube to its lowest level in a century, larger relics are coming to light.

Among the items awaiting recovery this week are a tank whose turret surfaced several days ago and an armored personnel carrier.

Smaller items recently dredged from the river bottom include Schmeisser rifles and a crocodile-leather wallet, its contents soaked past recognition.

Downstream, in Serbia, the rusty remnants of warships believed to belong to Nazi Germany's Black Sea Fleet have begun protruding in recent days 110 miles east of the capital, Belgrade. Authorities on Thursday warned ships to steer clear because of live ammunition believed still to be on the ships.

The river depth, normally as much as 50 feet in some places, has fallen to barely 10 feet.

The vessels are believed to have been deliberately blown up by retreating German troops to impede Soviet forces in the final stages of World War II.

War relics are no novelty in the Batina area of northeastern Croatia. Up to 60,000 soldiers perished here as Soviet troops caught up with German forces retreating toward Budapest in late 1944.

The Red Army triumphed after 12 days of fighting in one of the pivotal battles in the allied liberation of the Balkans.

Batina's old-timers still remember cavalry soldiers trudging back across the river on horseback, with one or two bare horses reined in along their sides — their riders dead or missing.

"It's no wonder skeletons and various war artifacts keep surfacing in our region," said Ivica Prakatur, a retired hospital nurse.

Moscow, which funds a memorial at Batina, plans to send experts to the scene to investigate some of the finds.

"The river was wide and deep and certainly holds many mysteries," said Anatolij Calisev, a military attache at the Russian Embassy in Zagreb, the Croatian capital. "Maybe there are documents that could help identify victims."

The heat wave gripping Europe, described by experts as one of the worst in 150 years, is slowly moving southeastward after killing scores of people across the continent.

In Bulgaria, shipping officials warned earlier this week that navigation on the Bulgarian stretch of the Danube could be suspended by the end of the week. Water levels in some places had fallen nine feet to their lowest in 100 years.

In Romania, the Danube had its lowest flow of any August since measurements began in 1840, the state news agency Rompres reported. A nuclear power plant in eastern Romania may have to close one reactor if the water level falls another 28 inches because too little water would be drawn to cool it, the government said Friday.

In Croatia, a Ukrainian barge, the Fyodor Ryabinin, briefly ran aground Tuesday.

None of this mattered to kids in Batina, who waded through the ordinarily mighty river, now barely knee-high.

"I feel like Moses," Laszlo Kovacs said as plodded to the other side.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: balkans; danube; shipwreck; wwii
Josip Valkai, local fire chief, holds a half-full gasoline canister, found in the remains of a German Kubelwagen, a military vehicle from WWII, pulled out of the Danube river, in the village of Batina, northeastern Croatia, Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003. Record-breaking droughts in Croatia are exposing bits of World War II history as receding Danube River waters reveal evidence of battles between the retreating Germans and the advancing Soviets. (AP Photo/Darko Bandic) - Damn, that is one skinny Fire Chief! I thought fire fighters needed some muscle? Maybe he is one of those so called Serbian "concentration camp" victims.

A local fisherman explores the wreckage of a WWII German warship sticking out from the river Danube bordering Romania and Serbia near the village of Parahovo, July 31, 2003. Europe's worst drought in years has pushed the mighty river Danube to its lowest level in more than a century, revealing German warships sunk to slow advancing Soviet forces in World War Two. Shippers in Romania say this year's prolonged heatwave and lack of rain have reduced the water volume in the Danube, which flows through ten European countries and is a major transport artery, to its lowest in 160 years. Picture taken July 31. REUTERS/Goran Sivacki/WEATHER/SERBIANEGRO/DANUBE

1 posted on 08/22/2003 4:54:13 PM PDT by Destro
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To: *balkans
bump
2 posted on 08/22/2003 4:54:26 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
"Smaller items recently dredged from the river bottom include Schmeisser rifles..."

Hmmm? Seems like a mix-up in firearms identification. The vernacular 'Schmeisser' usually refers to the 2nd generation 9mm submachine guns MP38 and MP40 variants. These arms were not rifles.

Please send all of the Schmeissers to me for verification purposes.
3 posted on 08/22/2003 5:11:16 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
And the MP40s weren't actually Schmeissers, but they got tagged with that name because the German army's earlier machine pistols were Schmeissers. I forget who actually designed and built the MP38/40.

Keep the Schmeissers, but if they dig up (pun intended) a spare MG42, I sure could use it. Or maybe a Panzerkampfwagen IV, y'know, for rush hour.

}:-)4
4 posted on 08/22/2003 5:14:51 PM PDT by Moose4 (It's rusting, it's paid for and it's bigger than your car. Don't get in my way.)
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To: Destro
Between the partisan battles and the massive Soviet offensive in late '44 some interesting relics should be revealed.

To this day, the ferocity of the fighting has not been well documented in the West. Hopefully some of that history will be retold.
5 posted on 08/22/2003 5:20:16 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (The Law of Unintended Consequences - No Good Deed Shall Go Unpunished.)
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To: Destro
Promote Global Warning - It Helps the Scrap Metal Business! lol
6 posted on 08/22/2003 5:24:18 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats have stunted brain development!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
I hear our in Russia/Ukraine you can dig up tons of gear and many there have made a thriving black market business selling military gear and weapons to collectors or to the mafia if the guns are workable.
7 posted on 08/22/2003 5:25:40 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Kubelwagon

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/index.mv?photo+93568.jpg

http://www.kubelwagen.co.uk/

'Schmeisser'

http://www.mindspring.com/~furrylogic/deltagreen/mp40.html

http://www.forces70.freeserve.co.uk/Waffen%20SS%20Text+Images/SUB%20MACHINE%20GUNS.htm
8 posted on 08/22/2003 5:26:35 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
These arms were not rifles.

No, they're junk. They have always been junk. And puny too. 9mm is not the round that the .45acp is.

9 posted on 08/22/2003 5:29:13 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Destro
Fascinating. More history will be revealed.

I was just thinking about France and how the heat wave has killed about 10,000 elderly people. I'd bet the French are secretly pleased since that's 10,000 less on rationed healthcare and social services. If the French government really cared, then there would NOT be 10,000 dead already. The gov. would have reacted alot sooner.

10 posted on 08/22/2003 5:32:50 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
The tradgedy! Just think how many French lives could be saved if only they'd pull their heads out of their collective *sses!
11 posted on 08/22/2003 5:34:22 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Destro
Meanwhile, WWII era ideas are staging a comeback in Europe.
12 posted on 08/22/2003 5:34:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: elbucko
Agreed. But I'll still take all donations for research purposes.
13 posted on 08/22/2003 5:35:22 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Destro
The scars of WWII abound throughout the world. In the western desert of Washington state is a building called the Purex Building, used to enrich the fissionable materials that made the bomb and ended WWII. It will still be there and uninhabitable for another 12,000 years. Modern day socialists (aka fasists) are so quick to rewrite and forget the lessons of history. The WWII veterans are dying off at 1000 per day, but the remains will tell their story of government power run amuck till the end of time.
14 posted on 08/22/2003 5:55:27 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: nmh
10K french elderly dead from the heat
But the frogs had no problem finding a cold spot to put all the bodies in
seems to me as long as they had so much cold storage maybe they should have
put the old folks in the cool air BEFORE they died
15 posted on 08/22/2003 6:26:18 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Destro
Kubelwagen

Volkswagen "Thing"


16 posted on 08/22/2003 7:25:38 PM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Destro
$100 says that that photo of Josip Valkai ends up with the caption "Serbs starve Croats and force them to drink German gasoline" when all is said and done.
17 posted on 08/23/2003 11:29:59 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (No, they're winning in SPITE of Jerry Manuel.)
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To: getoffmylawn; Hoplite
I knew someone would get my refrence! How true though. If only the photographer took the picture from behind a wire fence!! Hey Hoplite, look a skinny Croat fire cheif.
18 posted on 08/23/2003 12:29:47 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
"Things"
19 posted on 08/23/2003 12:33:41 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Destro
The Balkan wars are over, Destro: the Serbian Socialist Party, and all the trash spewed by it's supporters, to include Living Marxism, are no longer relevant.

This makes you irrelevant as well.

So the next time you think to ping me when you dredge up yet another discredited lie - the author and the publishers of Living Marxism broke the sound barrier as they backtracked away from the article's claims in the courtroom - don't.

I do not say that they at any time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann under cross-examination.

there has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume under cross-examination.

Make the world a better place - keep your ignorance and your lies to yourself, Destro.

20 posted on 08/24/2003 11:37:25 AM PDT by Hoplite
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