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To: PatrickHenry
It would be nice if the creationists would simply stop trying to 'witness' on the science threads. Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method. They should feel free to discuss creationism all they want on threads dedicated to that topic.
51 posted on 08/14/2003 1:19:22 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm
Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method.

Well said, Oh Mighty Keeper of the Flame.

55 posted on 08/14/2003 2:18:46 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: StolarStorm
Just because evolution is an extinct dinosaur doesn't make dinosaurs the exclusive domain of extinct evoloonies.

Free speech is a problem for you. You should start your own discussion club in your closet where it's relatively safe.
56 posted on 08/14/2003 3:32:21 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
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To: StolarStorm
the scientific method.

We need a cult watch - REALITY WAKE UP CALL - with the evo witness fanatics who won't discuss or explain their ideology at all --- just cram it down everyone's throat !

Stuffed goose science ... premature coronation (( glorification )) of liberal theology and gods of conservative science - thought ...

reminds me of napoleans -- emperors ---

in china THEY CALL THEM DIRT EMPERORS (( raving lunatics )) !

Spectator article by Peter Hitchens ...

"After the case of Dr David Kelly and all that has followed, this is not terribly reassuring. Others might suggest that democracy itself is the rock on which our society is built. But democracy, without the restraint of law and tradition, easily turns into a tyranny of the majority. It has no special virtue of its own, and with its intolerance of minorities and its tendency to elective dictatorship and crowd-pleasing it often threatens liberty, without which democracy is not all that much use. The Thatcherites seemed to think that the market could replace religion, a folly that hastened their downfall and left them morally and culturally empty. As for the left-wing virtues of the egalitarian social conscience, unlike individual conscience this tends to lead people to think that their acts of power and war are justified, not restrained, by the higher good they serve."

"In many ways they are ... more autocratic — if they get the chance — then any mediaeval Christian monarch would have dared to be. History, they proclaim, will forgive them."

Our choice is ...

# 1 - the invisible hand --- ' markets ' --- religious LIBERTY ...

or ...

# 2 - the sock puppets ... social engineers - freaks with the iron (( pink )) fist (( 3rdwayers - liberals )) !

In England - Australia ... classical conservatives are aptly call liberals which is accurate ---

the social engineers require activism - FORCE (( nazis )) and are called socialists - conservatives - ' reformers ' - CONTROLLERS - REPRESSION !

America is going to have to choose ... if we are going to be a # 2 soviet or --- a # 1 republican - free state !

66 posted on 08/14/2003 7:02:57 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: StolarStorm
no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method

Ask yourself if the following criteria apply to the group you are concerned about.

A ... * destructive cult * ... tends to be ... * totalitarian * ... in its ... * control * ... of its members' behavior.

Cults are likely to * dictate * in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

A destructive cult tends to have an * ethical double standard * .

Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully * follow cult rules * . They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, * honorable groups * teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.

A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund- raising. Altruistic movements, established religions, and other * honorable groups * also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group's main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult's real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and * instituting the ONLY viable system * for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. But these * claims are empty * and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to * mind control * to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.

A destructive cult is * authoritarian * in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

A destructive cult's leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them (( republican party )) from impending doom (( fundies // TROLLS )).

* A destructive cult's leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. *

Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles.

* Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves</>. *

* A destructive cult's leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. *

Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult.

The leader then * takes control * over followers' possessions, money, time, and lives.

Senator Goldwater

fC ...

This what happens when ideology obliterates reality ...

orc patrol - watch !

It' s a travesty --- a total fallacy to conform physical sciences to only a subjective * animal * - * material * frame of reference ... evolution has become a form of tribalism --- canibalism --- mindnaping --- slavery !

Troll overlords on the march alert !

68 posted on 08/14/2003 7:15:09 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: StolarStorm
Discussions regarding a purely scientific topic do not require any input from those who have no belief (or understanding) of the scientific method.

It is the evolutionists who have no regard for the scientific method. The words 'imagine', 'possibly', 'perhaps', and 'maybe' are not scientific terms. They are used constantly by evolutionists and are the staple of Darwin's so called 'proofs' of evolution.

107 posted on 08/14/2003 9:38:46 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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