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To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl,
My point is regardless of how neutral you claim to be on matters of the metaphysical, by saying something occurred in a way differently than what Scripture (or some other way) says they occurred, your are implicitly making a non-neutral philosophical statement regarding religion itself. If science just reported facts "We found X fossil, in X rock layer. and according to Y Scientist's formulations and radiometric dating, etc., we believe it to be X number of years old" That would be okay. But science does not do that. They state theory as fact and hypothesis as proven and then castigate anyone who calls them on it. As an I.D.er, you know of a non-biblical treatment of the evidence that supports design. This won't be taught, however, because the Darwinists can not allow it. That is not science, it is indoctrination and propaganda. Science may try to be neutral, and in approach with some evidence, it no doubt is. But Darwinism is a worldview, and by definition it is not neutral.
2,549 posted on 08/25/2003 11:02:20 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
Thank you so much for your post!

Indeed, it is a huge problem for science to define and keep a boundary with regard to metaphysics. If the line is drawn too firm, it leads to undesirable consequences of strong determinism. If it is drawn willy nilly, it leads to presumption and abuse.

Speaking of lines, there is a fine one between Intelligent Design and Theistic Evolution. I suspect that may be why ID is somewhat successful with parents and school boards.

ID has the potential of a much stronger argument than it has used so far. For instance, a measure of complexity was evidently developed and used by Dembski to speak of irreducible complexity. It was met with huge resistance. Yockey, on the other hand, used the widely accepted Shannon entropy to argue against abiogenesis. His views were taken seriously. Functional complexity was raised by Schützenberger. And other, non-ID scientists, are taking a hard look at the rise of autonomous self-organizing biological complexity through other methods, e.g. automata and Kolmogorov complexity/Solomonoff induction.

Even if they were to conclude that there is not enough time on the geological scale for the diversity of biological life to evolve in the order shown by the “tree of life” in the manner proposed by the theory of evolution - science will still want an explanation of the fossil record (tree,) and to get there, that explanation will of necessity point to the metaphysical.

That would open a floodgate of metaphysical explanations for phenomenon that science is loathe to entertain. Nevertheless, science is even now getting into the physics of consciousness and IMHO, will be compelled to move the metaphysical “line” at least somewhat.

For any Lurkers interested in more on my views of this subject: Evolution through the Back Door

2,660 posted on 08/25/2003 12:44:13 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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