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To: DittoJed2
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v4i9r2.htm

http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v4i10f.hm

http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v5i9n.htm

So I took the time to read through these articles (have you taken the time to read through the links I've sent to you?). The author doesn't appear to have any sort of experience in dealing with radioactive dating, something that is readily apparent by reading his response to the person who is an expert in the field. Again, why do you think the opinion of an Ada programmer (which is what this guy is), is more knowledgeable in the field of radiometric dating than a Chemist who has spent his life learning about it? It's like going to a car mechanic to discuss matters of theology, he might have a pretty good idea of what is so and what is not so, but his level of knowledge of the depths of the subject will be lacking. Looking at this article, he's definitely out of his discipline here.

1,586 posted on 08/20/2003 5:38:20 AM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: ThinkPlease
I have not taken the time to read through the links you sent me. What you sent me was an entire website full of material, and it will take time just to go through it.

As far as this man's credentials, this goes further to prove what I was telling Ichneumon earlier. It does not matter what I post, your group will either scream "bad science" or "bad credentials" or "bad source". Here are some examples of the latter (incidentally, not all are young earth creationists, they just disagree with the prevailing "knowledge" of evolution):

EXHIBIT A: Michael Behe:

Michael J. Behe was graduated from Drexel University in 1974 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Chemistry. He did his graduate studies in biochemistry at the University of Pennsylvania and was awarded the Ph.D. in 1978 for his dissertation research on sickle-cell disease. From 1978-1982 he did postdoctoral work on DNA structure at the National Institutes of Health. From 1982-85 he was Assistant Professor of Chemistry at Queens College in New York City, where he met his wife. In 1985 he moved to Lehigh University where he is currently Professor of Biochemistry. In his career he has authored over 40 technical papers and one book, Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, which argues that living system at the molecular level are best explained as being the result of deliberate intelligent design. Darwin’s Black Box has been reviewed by the New York Times, Nature, Philosophy of Science, Christianity Today, and over one hundred other periodicals. He and his wife reside near Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, with their eight children.

No, but Behe is a SMALL minority in the science community, and I mean SMALL minority.

RESPONSE TO BEHE ON THIS THREAD:

Post 1157:Most scientists look at Behe as a joke, and I have to say that I agree with them.

Irreducibly Complex? Come on, give me a fricking break.

When you are ignorant of the cause, to say Goddidit is the ultimate in laziness.

Behe was lazy, pure and simple, or ignorant, take your pick.

From Post 1167: Then lonely little Behe doesn't help you with his credentials or his tiny little handful of ID brothers.

Post 1200:I've attended one of Behe's presentations on ID. Behe may or may not be a joke, but his presentation was.


Exhibit B: Dr. David Menton.

Creationist Anatomist
(AiG - USA)

Biography

Professional Affiliation:Professional Activities:Extraprofessional activities:

Education

Honors/Awards/Associations

Publications

Written numerous articles in technical and scientific journals dealing with bone, wound healing, and the epidermal barrier function and biomechanics of skin.


Strangely, though I have mentioned him several times, there is hardly any commentary at all (if any) about the work presented by Menton on this thread.

Exhibit 3: Dr Raymond V. Damadian

Born March 16, 1936 Forest Hills, New York Inventor of Magnetic Resonance Scanning (Patent No. 3,789,832) , a $5 billion dollar a year industry, inductee into the National Inventors Hall of Fame (1989), recipient of the National Technology Medal, and founder and president of Fonar, the first company and continuing innovator in MRI technology. Recently Fonar won a $62 million dollar patent infringement award against General Electric.

Damadian attended the Juilliard School of Music for eight years, studying violin. He received his B.S. in mathematics in 1956 from the University of Wisconsin and an M.D. degree from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York in 1960. Damadian later served as a fellow in nephrology at Washington University School of Medicine and as a fellow in biophysics at Harvard University, where he completed academic work in physics, physical chemistry, and mathematics. After serving in the Air Force, Damadian joined the faculty of the State University of New York Downstate Medical Center in 1967. His training in medicine and physics led him to develop a new theory of the living cell, his Ion Exchanger Resin Theory. His MRI produced images of the interior of the body far more detailed than was possible with X-ray devices such as the CAT scanner. With the aid of his associates, Dr. Damadian built the first MR Scanner in 1977 which has since been retired to the Smithsonian.

Responses regarding Dr. Damadian on this thread:

Post 1474:Damadian didn't invent MRI. Paul Lauterbur did. Damadian is a crank who's spent 25 years, largely unsuccessfully, trying to claim Lauterbur stole his idea. I have first hand knowledge of this. When Lauterbur left SUNY Stony Brook, I was hired as his replacement. I inherited the laboratories and equipment Lauterbur used; including some of the first samples and probes using for MRI imaging. I've talked with colleagues of Lauterbur's, off whom he used to bounce his ideas. Not only is it clear Lauterbur came up with the idea on his own, but it's also true that Damadian is an MD and didn't have the mathematical or physical knowledge to invent the technique. No scientist in the field gives credit to Damadian, though quite a few politicos and ingnorant journalists have been swayed by him. He's rich, and persistent.


Post 1499 about a radiology website with Damadian's biography: http://www.radiolog.nm.ru ?

You're kidding, right?

Post 1530:Was just demonstrating that Damadian was not just "some crank". He's not just "some crank", he's a big crank! An opportunist, really, who nonetheless played an important, if not pivotal, role in the invention of MRI.




Now, I post something from a website where the person does have some knowledge of science, but may not have the credentials you desire (i.e., he isn't an evolutionist), and you dismiss what he has to say as lacking authority. I don't know why I should bother posting ANYTHING to you all any more because if it is not evolutionist you aren't going to accept it.


For those who are listening. If you want a list (that purports to be pretty accurate, and to my knowledge is darn close if not completely accurate) of those who doubt Darwinism (not all creationists mind you) then peruse the credentials of some of those found Here

This does not mean that these people are creationists. Some are, many are not. But it does go to show that the science is less universally accepted than proposed.
1,604 posted on 08/20/2003 8:40:09 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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