[Wlat 328] I didn't say that Butler was running for office, I said he was -seeking- office. Butler never, after 1865, gave up trying to regain the power he had during the war. He didn't -plan- on dying in 1893. This story of his alleged meeting with President Lincoln in April, 1865 is of a piece with that.
[Wlat 328] Discussion over on the ACW moderated newsgroup indicates that Dr. Mark Neely says that the story of Lincoln's meeting with Butler and looking favorably on deporting all blacks is a complete fabrication. You should treat it as such.
[nolu chan 313] You claim that Butler was seeking office. You document the fact that Butler's Book was published in 1892. It appears that, in reality, Butler had not sought any political office in about 8 years. If you have anything whatever to support your claim that Butler was seeking any political office in 1892, please present it.
[nolu chan 280] You claim that Butler was seeking office. You document the fact that Butler's Book was published in 1892. It appears that, in reality, Butler had not sought any political office in about 8 years. If you have anything whatever to support your claim that Butler was seeking any political office in 1892, please present it.
Could you please provide whatever evidence or source material you relied upon to make your claim that Butler was seeking office in 1892?
Could you please explain how it would have benefitted Butler to lie about Lincoln and colonization, thereby providing a motive to lie about that subject, as you have claimed?
"Discussion over on the ACW moderated newsgroup indicated," is not a source. Discussion on a nationally syndicated radio talk show would be more prestigious than an AOL newsgroup. Discussion on a nationally syndicated radio talk show indicated that George Bush was actually a lizard. Really, that is what was indicated by David Icke, author of The Reptilian Connection. It was in a published book and on a nationally syndicated talk show. You should accept it. This way you will be prepared when the news breaks that the whole world is really being run by shape-shifting lizards.
Mark E. Neely, Jr. is the author of The Fate of Liberty: Abraham Lincoln and Civil Liberties. Chapter 8 is entitled The Irrelevance of the Milligan Decision. At page 184 one may read, quoting Edward S. Corwin, the McCormick Profession of Jurisprudence at Princeton University, "To suppose that such fustian would be of greater influence in determining presidential procedure in a future great emergency than precedents backed by the monumental reputation of Lincoln would be merely childish."
See, one learns something every day. Legal precedents backed by the monumental reputation of Lincoln outweigh fustian legal precedents of the United States Supreme Court.
It is in a book, and discussion around the brigade water fountain indicates the author is highly thought of. Dicky Dunn said it. It must be true. I don't even know any longer why the Supreme Court bothers to waste its time.
It is definitely a source, and properly credited for what it is.
Dr. Neely has won a Pulitzer Prize. He's written at least three well received ACW books, "Last Best Hope of Earth", "Southern Rights: Political Prisoners and the Myth of Confederate Constitutionalism" and "The Fate of Liberty". The latter won the Pulitzer Prize in 1992.
Here is what I see on the ACW moderated group:
"Of course he [President Lincoln] had a chance. He simply dropped the issue. Ben Butler claimed the contrary, citing a talk with Lincoln at war's end, but Butler was rather silent about the conversation at the time, to put it nicely, and Mark Neely's suggested that Butler was manufacturing a tale."
Now, you can discount that, fine with me. I don't need a doctorate to figure out that Butler --probably-- made up the whole thing. He's the only source, and that is not credible. When you -push- this story, -you- are not credible.
Walt