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To: thatdewd
Well, there you go again. I was only pointing out that your statement was false when you said Abe wanted to go 'all the way' regarding black suffrage. If you consider factual corrections to be "damnations", then perhaps it is you who judge him more than I.

I said Abe would go as far (and maybe half a step further) as the people would allow him at any given moment. Unlike the Radicals, he was a political realist.

I suggest you try being "factual" for a change instead of damning Lincoln for not doing the impossible.

321 posted on 08/20/2003 10:27:36 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Ditto
I said Abe would go as far (and maybe half a step further) as the people would allow him at any given moment. ...I suggest you try being "factual" for a change instead of damning Lincoln for not doing the impossible.

lol, I was being factual. Here's the misleading (false) statement you made that I corrected:

Mr. Ditto: "Two days before his "dying day" he gave his last public address where he called for voting rights for blacks."

I corrected this by pointing out that he only called for voting rights for SOME blacks, and did so while he was separating himself from others who did want to grant rights to all. For some reason, you perceived this as a "damnation". Then, in a purely selfless and conciliatory act, I pointed out that there were more than a few Republicans who did feel about the issue the way you mistakenly thought ol' Abe did, and that you could most certainly tout them as being on "your" side. Alas, this too was perceived as some sort of "damnation" of uncle Abe, and only resulted in your asking an insensitive question regarding some violently insane little man (no doubt broiling in Hell at this very moment) who is best forgotten. But back to the initial point. If Lincoln were here, he'd tell you how wrong you were. Oh wait, he already has, in his original statement, which you initially referenced and which these last few exchanges have been about:

"It is also unsatisfactory to some that the elective franchise is not given to the colored man. I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers."

See, just some. His exclusionary and conditional ideas on the subject were specifically stated to seperate himself from the group he first mentions. You would deny them their credit on this issue and give it to Mr. Lincoln, who was going out of his way to make it clear he didn't agree with them. Perhaps it is you who should try to be factual.

331 posted on 08/20/2003 3:21:07 PM PDT by thatdewd
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