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To: nmh
You make some good points, but they get lost when you get over the top with negative generalities. There are a lot of allopathic people who are: (1) on and recommend Atkins, and (2) aren't "in it" entirely for money. Proof? I am one. My hospital sponsors an Atkins program for employees.
321 posted on 08/14/2003 10:03:03 AM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer
"You make some good points, but they get lost when you get over the top with negative generalities. There are a lot of allopathic people who are: (1) on and recommend Atkins, and (2) aren't "in it" entirely for money. Proof? I am one. My hospital sponsors an Atkins program for employees."

You managed to miss my MAIN point which is the allopathic approach DENIES the role of nutrition - whole foods. You automatically succomb to liver/kidney damaging drugs for the answer. This allopathic "answer" only masks the root problem. YOU NEVER address the ROOT problem. NEVER. This is how ALL allopathic doctors etc. are trained. You can NOT honestly deny that and that is what makes YOU (generic you) ineffective.

If for example someone has Graves' disease you MAY try ADT's (Anti thyroid drugs) but after an arbitrary amount of time, say 1-2 years tops the next "solution" is to totally DESTROY the thyroid which is the INNOCENT victim of an antibody attack. It's like you a mutiney - your antibodies are attacking your thyroid. So instead of addressing the destructive antibodies the "solution" is to use RAI (radio active iodine) ot destroy the ENTIRE thyroid. There is NOTHING wrong with the thyroid. NOTHING. only because the you guys REFUSE to address the underlying problem it's more convenient to destroy the organ and have the OPPOSITE problem - hypo thyroid and be REQUIRED to be on synthetic liver/kidney damaging drugs for the rest of your life. It boils down to this, if the doctor can not address the root problem, then either remove/replace (transplant, bypass) or destroy the organ involved.

Not in it for the money? LOL! There is NOT a doctor out there that isn't. It's a matter to what extent. Memebers of my family are in the midical profession. The first thing they want to do is pay off the debt of medical school which requires money. Next they want to enjoy the fruits of their labor (depending on your opinion of the allopathic community) which is fine however what has been taught isn't effective.

As for you, I doubt you'll get my point. It's almost like a cult. You've been indoctrinated to apply synthetic drugs which only serve to cause liver/kidney damage and ignore the root cause. This is what you are taught and know no different. Also who funds your research? Drug companies! What a coincidence. When in practice there is INCENTIVE to write scripts for the drugs companies. You will be rewarded through trips, material things and even PAID to go to conferences. Indeed I know ALL about it through family members as well as the media writing about it.

Another MAJOR problem is the allipathic community NOT keeping up with their profession. From the perspective of MANY, this is easily overcome by seeing the cute pharmaceutical rep.. Listening to their 15-20 min spiel on their latest drug or a new application of it. When a patient comes in, they're eager to NOT have to go tot he drug store and deal with the insurance company so they're happy to take on samples. So you keep the patient addicted to using a synthetic drug to cover up the root problem and all is well. LOL!

Oh there are so many things to say about your profession at large - such as prescribing to the insurance contract. You know as well as I that the ailment is NOT really that important. What is important is WHAT will the insurance company cover. Depending on what that is is what you will do or prescribe. If not, you will not be reimbursed by the insurance company and risk have a non paying patient - in short it's just not worth the hassle - just go with what the insurance company doctors feel is appropriate.

While I touch on insurance, ever look at a bill where there is NO insurance agreement in place - i.e. a provider NOT covered by the patients insurance? I have. It's OUTRAGEOUS. For example, I'm not kidding you - I had am appt for an MRI at the University of Penna. Hospital. FOr 45 minutes they took their photos with the injection to highlight stuff. Well we received a WHOPPING bill for OVER $10,000. I happened to like the neurologist however I told him, either you become a provider under our plan or we move on. Of course he was apologetic but clearly the insurance dictates pissed him off. I canceled the evoked potential test etc..

Need I touch on the silence from YOUR medical community on abortion? You've (generically) have come a long way from let your medicine be your food and food be your medicine. I'll let you guess who said that. Of course with how people live ... eating junk ... when they come in having a heart attack it's alittle late to offer whole foods and clean up their diet. Best to keep them around and THEN educate them. Truly all these by-passes are NOT necessary. Diet changes and exercise are what is needed. It's ALL unnecessary trauma to the body and expense.

Would you like me to go on about some of the drugs routinely prescribed, like Fosamax and what is REALLY does for you? Or how many ovary removals are totally unnecessary or how many women willing go through castration - all based on what allopathics say that is used to scare the patient into unecessary surgury? Psst vitamin C works wonders!

If the hospital you work at recommends Atkins to the employees great (bet they also recommend some other programs as well) - but what about the way you make money off of patients with ineffective treatments at grotesquely inflated rates ? I find that to be more interesting and in need of addressing.

348 posted on 08/15/2003 7:29:01 AM PDT by nmh
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To: jammer
I had to add alittle more to my original reply. You'll just have to deal with typos since I lack time to proof it. Besides, this is informal.

"You make some good points, but they get lost when you get over the top with negative generalities. There are a lot of allopathic people who are: (1) on and recommend Atkins, and (2) aren't "in it" entirely for money. Proof? I am one. My hospital sponsors an Atkins program for employees."

You managed to miss my MAIN point which is the allopathic approach DENIES the role of nutrition - whole foods. You automatically succomb to liver/kidney damaging drugs for the answer. This allopathic "answer" only masks the root problem. YOU NEVER address the ROOT problem. NEVER. This is how ALL allopathic doctors etc. are trained. You can NOT honestly deny that and that is what makes YOU (generic you) ineffective.

If for example someone has Graves' disease you MAY try ADT's (Anti thyroid drugs) but after an arbitrary amount of time, say 1-2 years tops the next "solution" is to totally DESTROY the thyroid which is the INNOCENT victim of an antibody attack. It's like a mutiney in your body - your antibodies are attacking your thyroid. So instead of addressing the destructive antibodies the "solution" is to use RAI (radio active iodine) after the doctor is tired of suppressing it through a drug like PTU. Nah, it's time to destroy the ENTIRE thyroid. There is NOTHING wrong with the thyroid. NOTHING. Only because you guys REFUSE to address the underlying problem it's more convenient to destroy the organ and have the OPPOSITE problem - hypo thyroid and be REQUIRED to be on synthetic liver/kidney damaging drugs for the rest of your life. It boils down to this, if the doctor can not address the root problem (which is the usual situation), then either remove/replace (transplant,bypass) or destroy the organ involved.

Not in it for the money? LOL! There is NOT a doctor out there that isn't. It's a matter of to what extent. Members of my family are in the medical profession. The first thing they want to do is pay off the debt of medical school which requires money. Next they want to enjoy the fruits of their labor (depending on your opinion of the allopathic community) which is fine however what has been taught isn't effective. Also they need the money to pay for their liabilty coverage which gets more expensive every year. YOu NEED the money to do this otherwise you are out of business. Instead of weeding out the really rotten apples in your industry, you cover up for them which helps to keep you liability rates so high.

I was entertained by family members who initially discussed the GROSS incompetency in medical school. It was ghastly what was said. The truth is that for quite a few years now, medical schools have admitted students based on ANYTHING but merit. You can't deny that. White males really had it rough. Some as yo may know had to go to the islands to get their degree while others were admitted with shall we say less than stellar grades etc.. This also contributes to the negative views of the allopathic crowd. Couple incomeptence with ineffective solutions and yuo'll better understand why some hold such a low opinion of your profession at large.

As for you, I doubt you'll get my point. It's almost like a cult. You've been indoctrinated to apply synthetic drugs which only serve to cause liver/kidney damage and ignore the root cause. This is what you are taught and know no different. Also who funds your research? Drug companies! What a coincidence. When in practice there is INCENTIVE to write scripts for the drugs companies. You will be rewarded through trips, material things and even PAID to go to conferences. Indeed I know ALL about it through family members as well as the media writing about it.

Another MAJOR problem is the allipathic community NOT keeping up with their profession. From the perspective of MANY, this is easily overcome by seeing the cute pharmaceutical rep.. Listening to their 15-20 min spiel on their latest drug or a new application of it. When a patient comes in, they're eager to NOT have to go tot he drug store and deal with the insurance company so they're happy to take on samples. So you keep the patient addicted to using a synthetic drug to cover up the root problem and all is well. LOL!

Oh there are so many things to say about your profession at large - such as prescribing to the insurance contract. You know as well as I that the ailment is NOT really that important. What is important is WHAT will the insurance company cover. Depending on what that is is what you will do or prescribe. If not, you will not be reimbursed by the insurance company and risk have a non paying patient - in short it's just not worth the hassle - just go with what the insurance company doctors feel is appropriate.

While I touch on insurance, ever look at a bill where there is NO insurance agreement in place - i.e. a provider NOT covered by the patients insurance? I have. It's OUTRAGEOUS. For example, I'm not kidding you - I had am appt for an MRI at the University of Penna. Hospital. FOr 45 minutes they took their photos with the injection to highlight stuff. Well we received a WHOPPING bill for OVER $10,000. I happened to like the neurologist however I told him, either you become a provider under our plan or we move on. Of course he was apologetic but clearly the insurance dictates pissed him off. I canceled the evoked potential test etc..

Need I touch on the silence from YOUR medical community on abortion? You've (generically) have come a long way from let your medicine be your food and food be your medicine. I'll let you guess who said that. Of course with how people live ... eating junk ... when they come in having a heart attack it's alittle late to offer whole foods and clean up their diet. Best to keep them around and THEN educate them. Truly all these by-passes are NOT necessary. Diet changes and exercise are what is needed. It's ALL unnecessary trauma to the body and expense.

Would you like me to go on about some of the drugs routinely prescribed, like Fosamax and what is REALLY does for you? Or how many ovary removals are totally unnecessary or how many women willing go through castration - all based on what allopathics say that is used to scare the patient into unecessary surgury? Psst vitamin C works wonders!

If the hospital you work at recommends Atkins to the employees great (bet they also recommend some other programs as well) - but what about the way you make money off of patients with ineffective treatments at grotesquely inflated rates ? I find that to be more interesting and in need of addressing.

349 posted on 08/15/2003 7:39:22 AM PDT by nmh
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