There was a hole in Mac OS X for a year - patches had no affect -- that was the point I was trying to make. Apple adopts UNIX then ignores security issues that come with UNIX. Apple will regularly say: "We're not affected" when in fact they are. THAT is a big problem- one of attitude. There is a myth that Apples are invulnerable. How can that be, when UNIX is not? I've had personal experience with this. Apple may make good computers, but they just don't know UNIX.